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The Disbelievers

NEW YORK He felt no shiver of doubt in those first terrible hours.
- By Michael Powell

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This is a start. Thank you Washington Post. Would have been nice if you had mentioned more about Webster Tarpley / Steven E. Jones.

By bgiltner | Sep 8, 2006 12:36:28 AM | Request Removal

Enter: into your browser to do a search of google video on David Ray Griffin.

By bgiltner | Sep 8, 2006 1:24:01 AM | Request Removal

Im not a supporter of conspiracy theories -- in fact, I consider them a baneful fog which tend to obscure the very truths the conspirabunkers claim to want to expose. And tend to be self-discrediting because so rife with internal inconsistencies and contradictions, and two often making claims for evidence which are actually contrary to the evidence cited. But there is one question which needs clear and direct answer: Where was NORAD? Since the Eisenhower administration, it has been a matter of routine that, should an aircraft deviate from its proper course, NORAD _immediately_ launches military interceptor planes. That obviously didnt happen on 9/11. Why is that the fact? And-not-so-by-the-way: the condescending tone adopted by professional journalists when reporting on these issues is contrary to 1 claims of objectivity, 2 ethics, and 3 any desire to maintain credibility for such professional journalists. Which latter has no small role in perpetuating the very conspiracy theories at which they routinely/knee-jerk scoff.

By jnagarya2 | Sep 8, 2006 7:54:20 AM | Request Removal

As a retired medical military person, who served in Iraq, I have no trust in my government to do the right for my troopos or me. I suffer from brain injuries and no one at the VA give a damn. The VA will simply let me die a slow, paiful death. Every time I go there the VA doctors give me more pain pills and tell me to come back if it get worse. What is worse when you live in HELL.I have lost my family and my job. Have too many headaches to maintain employment. And soon I will lose my home and be on the street. It is on the wall and there is nothing I can do to change it. I have a quality education MBAand employeers look at me as if I have an disease when I tell them that I served in Iraq.The facial expression that I get is If you were not smart enough to get out of duty in Iraq, well you are not smart enough to work here. What ever happemn to service to our country. It was something that you could be proud of. My great, great grandfater,and my grand-father and father served. But I will be the last. My son will not join the military and will go to school so he can be on the other side when the next Iraq come alone.

By navydvldoc | Sep 8, 2006 8:01:29 AM | Request Removal

Sigh, once a year it seems the Post feels the need to write an article about these crackpot conspiracy theories. Some of these folks are mentally ill, others simply adhere to a “religion” of hate, hate for America or Bush or both. The conspiracy theorists have no credible evidence, they merely pounce on real or alleged anomalies and the actual version of events and then raise “questions” which they demand be disproved. Since they don’t base their arguments on fact, they aren’t open to reason. Anyone who questions their “evidence” is part of the conspiracy. What is more, these “theories” are an excuse to not to focus on real issues and many of the conspiracy theorists are simply unable or unwilling to grasp the complexity of the real world. If one buys into this crap, the hatred for America in the Arab world becomes immaterial, why worry about American policy in the Middle East if the only threat we face is from “inside jobs”. It is all so pathetic.

By RealChoices | Sep 8, 2006 9:04:48 AM | Request Removal

I dont exactly think the federal government knew in advance about the attack and 9-11, although I think it couldshould have anticipated it. What I think happened is: immediately afterwards, Karl Rove, who is enormously smarter than George Bush, saw the possibilities presented by the situation. He and others put into motion the reactions, the invasions, that have gotten us where we now are. I think he did it partly to make Mr. Bush a war president, to give him more gravitas than he could have mustered on his own, and partly to benefit the various interests who have profited from the money flowing from the efforts. I think that the American people, our security and our interests, came in a poor third in the race, and that the Afghani and Iraqi people didnt even figure in the equations as beneficiaries except as well bring them the benefits of deomocracy phantoms. I dont think there was an a priori conspiracy, but that afterwards, the how can we make this work for us kicked in, big-time. It was, you might say, a posteriori, sort of a generalized mooning of the world. Look what we can do. Take that, you terrorists. So we have shocked and awed ourselves right into another Viet Nam.

By cmcintyr | Sep 8, 2006 9:06:24 AM | Request Removal

The Post is not biased at ALL, is it? The evidence of conspiracy theorists is flimsy and heavily rumor-supported, at best. Its absolutely pathetic that people spend entire days devoted to finding absent demons inside our own government, rather than helping by supporting the capture of Osama and his ilk. No one ever claimed this administration, or any other administration for that matter, to be perfect in terms of handling a crisis. This is perhaps more sad than the events of 9/11 themselves.

By lmw781 | Sep 8, 2006 9:08:26 AM | Request Removal

Sigh, once a year it seems the Post feels the need to write an article about these crackpot conspiracy theories. Some of these folks are mentally ill, others simply adhere to a “religion” of hate, hate for America or Bush or both. The conspiracy theorists have no credible evidence, they merely pounce on real or alleged anomalies and the actual version of events and then raise “questions” which they demand be disproved. Since they don’t base their arguments on fact, they aren’t open to reason. Anyone who questions their “evidence” is part of the conspiracy. What is more, these “theories” are an excuse to not to focus on real issues and many of the conspiracy theorists are simply unable or unwilling to grasp the complexity of the real world. If one buys into this crap, the hatred for America in the Arab world becomes immaterial, why worry about American policy in the Middle East if the only threat we face is from “inside jobs”. It is all so pathetic.

By RealChoices | Sep 8, 2006 9:20:50 AM | Request Removal

My favorite quote: Why should any of us know where it went? Griffin says. It could have been it crashed in Kentucky. We dont need a theory where it went. What utter crap. They pull random hypotheses out of thin air but dont feel the need to justify them? Im deeply disappointed in the Post for letting statements like this stand. And then this little gem: But what about all those New Yorkers who saw airplanes hitting the twin towers? A chuckle rumbles down the phone line. I dont believe anyone in Lower Manhattan, he says. You hire three dozen Actors Equity dudes and theyll say anything . Nice. Dismiss the planes by pointing to unreliable eye witness testimony. How about the Post reminding the reader about the VIDEO FOOTAGE of the second plane striking the tower? Why didnt the article mention that?

By nobuggin | Sep 8, 2006 9:28:16 AM | Request Removal

Seriously, I want to give the Loose Change crackpots a kick to the crotch each time I read this junk. As for the person with the NORAD question, Vanity Fair had an excellent article about NORADs confusion and slow response including audio clips on their website just last month. How sad is it that a fashion and gossip magazine is doing some of the best investigative reporting on the Iraq War and on the failures of our government? For a compelling article disproving the conspiracists, see Popular Mechanics 9/11 conspiracy article, which can be found at the bottom of Maddoxs essay, titled, There is no 9/11 Conspiracy You Morons.

By mlhickman | Sep 8, 2006 9:34:12 AM | Request Removal

Also, UFO CRASH SURVIVORS are BURIED in a SECRET UNDERGROUND laboratory in New Mexico and pumped ROUND THE CLOCK by CIA OPERATIVES for their hidden knowledge about ALIEN TECHNOLOGIES and the next coming of the MESSIAH. Its true - google the Internet for FULL EXPLANATIONS. The fact that microelectronics has advanced so QUICKLY in recent times is CLEAR PROOF that we are in contact with ALIEN INTELLIGENCES from ANOTHER DIMENSION.

By d.tonhofer | Sep 8, 2006 9:43:06 AM | Request Removal

All I have to say on the Matter is our young men are still dying in Iraq, lets cut the chatter to a minimum and bring the soldiers home where they belong on American soil to fight problems on the home front. Iraq was never our problem

By shirley_rentas | Sep 8, 2006 9:57:00 AM | Request Removal

Why on earth do reputable news publications continue to give these nuts a forum? Dont we have enough legitimate dirt on the Bush Crime Family we can investigate?

By bethanne.larson | Sep 8, 2006 9:57:59 AM | Request Removal

The fact that Bush was given a briefing that Bil Laden was wanting to crash aircraft in the US and told the bearer that he covered his ass and can leave shows how inept he is and who knows but I think they were looking for an excuse to invade Iraq and that gave it to them

By toolman28 | Sep 8, 2006 10:01:26 AM | Request Removal

Why on earth do reputable news publications continue to give these nuts a forum? Dont we have enough legitimate dirt on the Bush Crime Family we can investigate?

By bethanne.larson | Sep 8, 2006 10:01:50 AM | Request Removal

By anyone’s definition the events on the day of 9/11 was a complete intelligence and military failure. Personally I feel that the 9/11 commissions investigation into the background of circumstances events, action or inactions of individuals and government agencies left a lot to be desired. Why the Post is devoting so much time to story that falls somewhere into the cracks between legitimate questions and whacked out tinfoil hat conspiracy theories is beyond me. Especially when a more relevant 9/11 story has virtually ignored by the mainstream press for the past week. Some readers may already be aware that ABCs plans to run a 2 day 5 hour mini-series called the Path to 9/11 this coming Sunday and Monday. What most people arent aware of is that this docu-prop piece is dangerously misleading and inaccurate movie which strongly implies that 9/11 was the fault of the previous administration. So much for the concept that the buck stops here. That it is being run on public airwaves just 6 weeks before a critical mid-term election, smacks of a 2 day infomercial favoring the current administration and Republican party. ABC plans to run it with no commercials or visible sponsors, and plans to giving away the movies content on abc.com and iTunes. To call this unprecedented is an understatement. In addition, they had paired up with Scholastic to distribute discussion materials about the movie to be used in high schools around the country. Scholastic to their credit has removed these materials from their web site. But there are some 25,000 instructional packets that have already been mailed out to our children’s teachers. So at what point are the POST, the mainstream media and the American people going to say What the F..K is going on here? Please contact ABC, your Congressman and Senator and request that this $40 million dollar political advertisement be pulled off the airwaves.

By frisbeejon | Sep 8, 2006 10:09:37 AM | Request Removal

All I have to say on the Matter is our young men are still dying in Iraq, lets cut the chatter to a minimum and bring the soldiers home where they belong on American soil to fight problems on the home front. Iraq was never our problem As the spouse of a US serviceman currently deployed to the middle east, I can honestly say that statement not only offends servicemen, but is irrelevant. Many of them feel that such a statement is patronizing to them and their cause. What is going on over there is IS real, but then of course, it is so easy to judge when you are sitting at home comfortably on your couch watching the daily news like some fanatsy gameshow. For some people, the war and the aftermath of 9/11 is very real, not some scholarly debate.

By lmw781 | Sep 8, 2006 10:42:57 AM | Request Removal

While many in the conspiracy theory movement are crackpots, there are certainly some highly educated individuals--who do know what they are talking about on some level--involved as well. It is unfortunate that the Post chose to include some of the more extreme viewpoints and some choice quotes to keep the conspiracy types marginalized. SOME of the work being done by people who fall in this camp is actually worth investigating. Like it or not there are a lot of inconsistensies regarding the events of 9/11, and it is certainly not out of the question for a government especially one full of extremists to go to unheard of lengths to push their agenda.

By cdamore | Sep 8, 2006 10:45:45 AM | Request Removal

This idiot and his followers never worked for a the Federal goverment, where you need to involve ten people to get a key copied. Our burocracy cannot plan its way out of a piss soaked paper bag!

By rtaruffeti | Sep 8, 2006 10:46:15 AM | Request Removal

Maybe its early and I havent had coffee, but this was really choppy writing centered around some really crazy people. Bad combination.

By dmalvarado | Sep 8, 2006 10:49:25 AM | Request Removal

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