Biden: I’m ‘absolutely comfortable’ with gay couples having same rights as straight couples
By Felicia Sonmez,
This post has been updated.
Vice President Biden on Sunday appeared to go further than he has in the past in expressing support for same-sex marriage.
Vice President Biden. (REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst)
“Look. I am vice president of the United States of America,” Biden said. “The president sets the policy. I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women and heterosexual – men and women marrying – are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. And quite frankly, I don’t see much of a distinction beyond that.”<object width="420" height="245" id="msnbc77e141" classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=10,0,0,0"><param name="movie" value="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640"/><param name="FlashVars" value="launch=47312632&width=420&height=245" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="wmode" value="transparent" /><embed name="msnbc77e141" src="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640"width="420" height="245" FlashVars="launch=47312632&width=420&height=245" allowscriptaccess="always" allowFullScreen="true" wmode="transparent" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"></embed></object><p style="font-size:11px; font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #999; margin-top: 5px; background: transparent; text-align: center; width: 420px;">Visit msnbc.com for <a style="text-decoration:none !important; border-bottom: 1px dotted #999 !important; font-weight:normal !important; height: 13px; color:#5799DB !important;" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com">breaking news</a>, <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032507"style="text-decoration:none !important; border-bottom: 1px dotted #999 !important; font-weight:normal !important; height: 13px; color:#5799DB !important;">world news</a>, and <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072"style="text-decoration:none !important; border-bottom: 1px dotted #999 !important; font-weight:normal !important; height: 13px; color:#5799DB !important;">news about the economy</a></p>
Asked whether the Obama administration in a second term would come out in favor of same-sex marriage, Biden declined to say.
“I can’t speak to that. I don’t know the answer to that,” he said.
Gay rights groups welcomed Biden’s comments and said President Obama should follow suit.
“We are encouraged by Vice President Biden’s comments, who rightly articulated that loving and committed gay and lesbian couples should be treated equally,” Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, said in a statement. “Now is the time for President Obama to speak out for full marriage equality for same-sex couples.”
It was not immediately clear whether Biden was speaking off-the-cuff or whether his remarks might have been part of a move by the Obama administration to inch closer toward an embrace of same-sex marriage through a high-level surrogate.
The “Meet the Press” interview was taped on Friday, but aired Sunday morning.
Immediately after its airing, a Biden spokesperson said that the vice president “was saying what the President has said previously — that committed and loving same-sex couples deserve the same rights and protections enjoyed by all Americans, and that we oppose any effort to rollback those rights.”
“That’s why we stopped defending the constitutionality of section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act in legal challenges and support legislation to repeal it,” the aide said. “Beyond that, the Vice President was expressing that he too is evolving on the issue, after meeting so many committed couples and families in this country.”
And Obama senior adviser David Axelrod said via Twitter shortly after Biden spoke: “What VP said-that all married couples should have exactly the same legal rights-is precisely POTUS’s position.”
The White House in February instructed the Justice Department to no longer defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act, the 1996 law that bans federal recognition of same-sex marriage. The move has led to a political battle with the GOP-led House, which has moved to defend the law in court.
Biden has previously said that he believes same-sex marriage is “an inevitability,” although he has stopped short of personally endorsing it. Biden said in a December 2010 interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America” that he agrees with President Obama that he is continually “evolving” on the issue.
As Election Day 2012 approaches, Obama has come under criticism from gay rights groups and others for not endorsing same-sex marriage.
The issue is a politically thorny one for Obama. If he were to come out in favor of same-sex marriage, he would risk losing the support of some independents and could be viewed as acting out of political opportunism. If he continues “evolving” on the issue, he risks leaving a key part of his base disenchanted ahead of the November election.
It’s an issue that could come to a head at this summer when Democrats craft their party platform at the Democratic National Convention.
In speaking about his own views on same-sex marriage Sunday, Biden said that “when things really begin to change is when the social culture changes.”
“I think ‘Will and Grace’ probably did more to educate the American public than almost anything anybody’s ever done so far,” he told host David Gregory, referring to an NBC television series that featured a gay lawyer and his best friend, a straight woman. “And I think people fear that which is different. Now they’re beginning to understand.”
He also declined to say whether he plans to run for president himself in 2016.
“I don’t know whether I’m gonna run,” he said.
The full transcript of Biden’s remarks on same-sex marriage is below.
GREGORY: “The president has said that his views on gay marriage, on same-sex marriage, have evolved. But he’s opposed to it. You’re opposed to it. Have your views evolved?”
BIDEN: “Look, I just think that the good news is that as more and more Americans come to understand what this is all about, it’s a simple proposition: Who do you love? Who do you love? And will you be loyal to the person you love? And that’s what people are finding out, is what all marriages at their root are about, whether they’re marriages of lesbians or gay men or heterosexuals.”
GREGORY: “Is that what you believe now?”
BIDEN: “That’s what I believe.”
GREGORY: “And you’re comfortable with same-sex marriage now?”
BIDEN: “Look. I am vice president of the United States of America. The president sets the policy. I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women and heterosexual – men and women marrying – are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. And quite frankly, I don’t see much of a distinction beyond that.”
GREGORY: “In a second term, would this administration come out behind same-sex marriage, the institution of marriage?”
BIDEN: “I can’t speak to that. I don’t know the answer to that. But I can tell you--”
GREGORY: “It sounds like you’d like to see it happen.”
BIDEN: “Well, the president continues to fight, whether it’s ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,’ or whether it is making sure across the board that you cannot discriminate. Look at the executive orders he’s put in place. Any hospital that gets federal funding – which is almost all of them – they can’t deny a partner from being able to have access to their partner who’s ill, or making the call on whether or not they – it’s just, this is evolving.”
“And by the way, my measure, David – and I take a look at when things really begin to change is when the social culture changes. I think ‘Will and Grace’ probably did more to educate the American public than almost anything anybody’s ever done so far. And I think people fear that which is different. Now they’re beginning to understand. ... I was speaking to a group of gay leaders in Los Angeles two weeks ago. And one gentleman looked at me in the question period and he said, ‘Let me ask you. How do you feel about us?’”
“And I had just walked into the back door of this gay couple, and they’re with their two adopted children. And I turned to the man who owned the house and I said, ‘What did I do when I walked in?’ He said, ‘You walked right to my children – they were seven and five, giving you flowers.’”
“And I said, ‘I wish every American could see the look of love those kids had in their eyes for you guys, and they wouldn’t have any doubt about what this is about.”