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Tim Page
Post Classical Music Critic
Wednesday, October 13, 2004; 3:00 PM

Tim Page is the chief classical music critic for The Washington Post and the author or editor of a dozen books, including "Dawn Powell: A Biography," "The Glenn Gould Reader," "The Unknown Sigrid Undset," "William Kapell: A Documentary Life History of the American Pianist" and "Tim Page on Music." He won the Pulitzer Prize for criticism in 1997 for his writings about music for the Washington Post.

He has also worked as an artistic adviser (the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra), a radio host (WNYC-FM in New York), a record producer (BMG Catalyst) and, in his younger days, a rock musician and cocktail pianist. A graduate of Columbia University, he lives in Baltimore with his wife, Julieta Stack.

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Tim Page: Good afternoon and welcome to another on-line chat about music, classical and otherwise. Right now I'm in Boston -- and there are very few more pleasant places to be than Boston on a cool autumn afternoon. I'm off to lecture at the MacDowell Colony on Friday and then to New York to take part in the Music Critics of North America symposium, one quite brilliantly arranged by Don Rosenberg of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

We will be discussing the educational value and sheer entertainment factor of reading the important critics of the past. I've always enjoyed reading the works of people such as W.J. Henderson, Hermann Klein, James Gibbons Huneker and, of course, Virgil Thomson. More recently, I learned a lot from Harold C. Schonberg and B.H.Haggin -- in part because I reacted against them so strongly. The leader of my panel is Alan Rich, who is now almost 80, but I don't consider him a "critic of the past." In fact, I'm always dazzled by the verve and energy and fresh thought he brings to his criticism -- if I didn't know otherwise, I'd guess he was in his 30s or 40s.

I'm thinking I'll start a little bit early today, as I won't be able to be here two weeks from today. As such, it will be almost a month before next we "speak."

And so let's dive right in and see what is in the bank today.

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Maryland: Tim:

When I think of Modern American Music, I get stuck at John Cage, John Adams, George Gershwin and Charles Ives, and Aaron Copeland. I am looking for some GREAT modern composers (preferably 1970's to present) that can show me the state of classical music TODAY...Not just ones who have good publicists. HELP! Can you give me the names of 5 composers/CDs that I can take from this discussion and click over to Amazon.com and purchase today?

Tim Page: GREAT composers? I can't really help you much. I will say that I think Daniel Kellogg, at Yale, is an extraordinarily gifted composer, still in his 20s and somebody I'm going to watch very carefully. He has a new recording out, featuring the group Eighth Blackbird, and I would strongly recommend that.

Michael Hersch is very gifted, and he continues to grow and branch out. He's in his early 30s.

I can't imagine anybody interested in songwriting not owning and appreciating Stephin Merritt's "69 Love Songs" on Merge Records. It is exactly what it says it is -- 69 songs about love, written in styles that range from Steve Reich-ian to Gilbert and Sullivan.

Don't forget the older radicals -- Alvin Lucier, Alvin Curran, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Pauline Oliveros and the late Ralph Shapey -- who take music into completely unexpected directions.

Hmm... Stephen Hartke? Daron Hagan? Peter Lieberson? Paul Moravec writes luscious and well-crafted music with a Gallic wit.


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Birmingham, Ala.: I have read some widely varying reviews of Hilary Hahn's recording of the Elgar Violin Concerto that was released last month. The positive reviews seem to be from fans of Hahn who are eager to enjoy anything she puts out. The negative ones often seem to be directed more at Elgar himself and at Hahn for choosing to record his work.

Have you heard the CD? If so, what was your reaction to it?

Tim Page: Haven't heard the recording. I love Elgar, but am not overly fond of the concerto (nor of the symphonies, for that matter). I find Hahn a very tasteful and intelligent artist. I should look up the disc.

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Fairfax, VA: Hello Tim,
I really enjoyed your article on the Young People's concerts. Mr. Bernstein was someone whose artistic vision was one that was very compelling to me. In any event, my question is about the Corigliano concerto the NSO is doing this week. From a preview on Amazon of a recording it sounded very generic 20th century atonal. What is your take on what we can expect? Tim Page: Thanks very much for your good words on the Bernstein DVDs. They are truly spectacular -- about the best introduction imaginable to classical music.

I don't know the Corigliano piece well. I think it is probably more chromatic than some of his later works, but there was always a lyrical quality to Corigliano's music that set it apart from the fiercest modernism.

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Washington, DC: For a beginning classical music enthusiast, is there a resource (print or Web) you could suggest of the "must haves"--sort of a starter set of classical pieces to serve as a gentle introduction?

Tim Page: Hi. Way up at the top of the page here, you will see a listing of 25 recordings to help a novice become a fanatic. I hope it is helpful to you.

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Lancaster, CA: I so enjoyed the Los Angeles Opera's "Ariadne auf naxos" that I saw it twice. But a local critic was unimpressed by it. What should I do? Ignore such an evaluation or attempt to improve my taste?

Tim Page: The opera is wonderful -- and I think that some of the reviews were favorable (as I recall, Alan Rich liked the production).

Look, it may not have been the best "Ariadne" ever staged, but it proved successful in at least one way -- it made you a devotee of the opera. And that is something. I hope you will find other performances, maybe buy a recording or a DVD or something. If it has inspired a hunger for Strauss -- and for this opera in particular -- the production can't have been a total loss.

Remember, critics are quirky and fallible, too, like the rest of humankind.

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Washington, D.C.: Mr Page,

I was in the audience for the concert last week that included clapping between movements, and subsequent shushing. Your comments have sparked a certain amount of discussion.

There is, of course, the first question of whether clapping is really such a bad thing. The consensus is - as a reaction to a powerful moment, no; as a sign of confusion, yes. There was, however, the point raised that it was once convention to clap after all the movements.

The more difficult question, though, is how best to convey etiquette? Should something be stated in the program, is it one of the things that should be made in the announcements along with the cell phone announcement? I doubt that the clappers read your review, though one can hope. And in any noise issue - the most difficult solution is to ask the theater to intercede. Short of an extreme problem, the theater cannot enforce etiquette, they can only try to isolate a complaint from those being troubled, usually by moving the ones being bothered. When that is not possible, or before it can be accomplished, people can best solve problems exactly as done - by repeatedly shushing the noisemakers.

Tim Page: I was probably a little grouchy when I wrote my review, but I'll stand by my words.

(Joe -- can we post those words?)

I think I would have been less annoyed if there had been any real passion in the applause. It sounded dutiful, pure and simple, as though it was something the audience thought it had to do. I wish the performers had come on at the beginning of the second half and said something like "We are very grateful for your enthusiasm and thank you for it. But the next piece builds a mood very carefully and we wonder if we might ask you to hold your applause until all four movements are done."

Something like that, anyway. After that, I believe the audience members (only a small number) would have caught on and the rest of us wouldn't have had to be snapped out of our deep listening again and again.

I agree that it is a difficult question. But a critic can comment on the situation in a review and maybe, with a little luck, the listeners will know a little better next time.

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Washington, D.C.: Hello Tim,

I hope you made it to Brian Wilson's concert at the Warner on Sunday. I know you're a fan. It was really one of the best shows I've ever been to by any performer.

Tim Page: I didn't go. I'm glad it was a good show -- my editor for these chats, Joe Heim, reviewed it for us, and he agreed with you. And I thought Richard Harrington's piece about the genesis of "Smile" was first-class.

I reviewed the record a couple of weeks back. In addition to the reservations I had about it at the time, another one has come to bother me. Simply put, there is too much activity on the record: it goes from high point to high point without any level ground. In short, I wish there were more filling in the piece -- some perfectly good connective passages to give the listener's brain a rest.

As I suggested, I don't think this is the echt 1967 "Smile" by any means. I think it was a highly professional editing job that took a lot of inspired fragments and put them into a mold -- a mold that probably had little or nothing to do with what Wilson had in mind in the mid 1960s. I'm glad to have the record out -- don't get me wrong -- but I still think the fragments are more interesting and more musical.

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washingtonpost.com: Chee-Yun, Exploring The Soul Of Brahms By Tim Page, Washington Post Staff Writer, Thursday, Oct. 7, 2004 (The last paragraph deals with the clappers.)

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washingtonpost.com: In Bernstein's Classrom, Lessons That Resonate By Tim Page, Washington Post Staff Writer, Sunday, October 10, 2004

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Bowie, Md.: Regarding the examples of important critics of the past that you led with today...is there - are there collections of their works somewhere? perhaps a link(s)?

That is something I would enjoy reading.

Tim Page: Henderson published a number of books. The best is called "The Art of Singing" (or something very much like that) and contains his appraisals of a lot of the best artists of his day. He also published a novel called "The Soul of a Tenor."

Klein wrote for the Gramophone for years and a huge compilation was published by Amadeus some years back. It is well worth tracking down. Also -- 30 Years of Musical Memories in London. (Again, I don't have my library with me. These are approximate titles.)

James Huneker published about 20 books, all with Scribner except for a lively little volume called Old Fogy that came out from Presser.

Harold Schonberg's best books are "The Great Pianists," "The Great Conductors" and a study of the leading composers called "The Great Composers" in one edition and then given another title, I think, when it was reissued.

B.H. Haggin's best book by far is "Music in the Nation" -- a collection of his early work and marvelous and biting criticism. You might also investigate "Music Observed," which was reissued as "35 Years of Music." The rest you can probably skip, unless you are a Toscanini-mane.

The book "Olin Downes on Music" is a collection of works by the man who was the chief critic for the New York Times for about 30 years. It is a classic example of criticism by somebody who listened better than he wrote. Most of his opinions stand up, but his prose style had all the grace of a hippopotamus.

Winthrop Sargeant wrote a lively book in the 1940s called "Geniuses Goddesses and People" which gives a good sense of what the life of a working critic must have been in those days.

I didn't mention Peter G. Davis's "The American Opera Singer," which is a delightful, opinionated and informative volume by one of my most admired contemporaries.

All of Virgil Thomson is worth reading. Also, the music criticism of Shaw. Their opinions are idiosyncratic -- indeed, sometimes infuriating -- but they always make you sit up and take notice.

Check out some of the prima donna autobiographies too -- especially Frances Alda's "Men Women and Tenors." Ira Glackens wrote a terrific biography of Lillian Nordica, the "Yankee Diva."

As for biographies of composers, there are too many to mention here.

Your best bet to find these books would be through bookfinder.com or abebooks.com. I'm sure you'll find a good sampling of them, and probably not for too much money. (The Klein book on London is rather pricey.)

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Washington, D.C.: Hi Tim,
I've recently had some very diverse experiences with recitals by female opera singers: Bernarda Fink at the Kennedy Center, Alessandra Marc at the National Gallery, and - a CD actually - Dawn Upshaw's latest. My guess is that you heard most or all of these and I'm wondering if such a juxtaposition of styles in song recital teach/reinforce what you know about your own tastes. Marc, a true old-school diva, has superior technique and a huge voice that overwhelm even selections from Porgy and Bess. Listen to a singer like Upshaw, though, whose critics fault her for singing with pop-ish mannerisms. The voice may not be what Messiaen had in mind, but her ecstatic singing is hard to resist. With regard to Fink, she's a great singer, but her program was less than adventurous. Your thoughts?

Tim Page: I did not hear any of these concerts, for a variety of reasons -- nor have I had a chance to hear the Upshaw disc yet. Your comments sound plausible to me, though. I'm looking forward to getting back into the fray next week.

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Washington, D.C.: Last time I mentioned a talk by Peter Schjeldahl, which someone incorrectly stated as having been last year. It was actually the inaugural lecture of the Clarice Smith lectures in art, held at the Lisner Auditorium, in mid-September. The next talk, by Pat Steir, is tonight,again at Lisner, at 7. It will be over in time to hear the debate after.

Returning to the last talk, there is a nice summary on the ionarts Web site, ionarts.blogspot.com. I'm generally curious to hear what your take is on the question "what art is for now". I'm often disturbed by the shift from a partiicipatory to spectator sport- I think the physical and mental act of producing music has a healing power...

Tim Page: Thanks very much. I'm looking forward to the debate and, as mentioned, I'm about 300 miles away, so I won't be able to attend tonight. But it sounds like an interesting program, as so many of the events at Clarice Smith are.

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St. Louis, Mo.: Greetings Tim from St. Louis--
(Yes--I am hoping that since you used to be affiliated with the SLSO that you will answer my question)
Sometimes I have a tough time immediately recognizing a piece of music. I was driving to work today and it took about 10-15 seconds to figure out that I was listening to Beethoven's 7th on a local classical station. Is that bad? I feel like a dummy when I can't immediately recall a piece. I have a tougher time with violin concertos. Is that normal for a classical listener?

Tim Page: Of course I'll answer your question. Give my best to St. Louis -- I'd love to hear that wonderful orchestra again.

Believe me, your problem with identification is not uncommon. I'll sometimes listen to a minute or more of a piece, knowing exactly what is going to happen next, singing along, and so on -- but I still won't remember the title. It is exasperating, but not uncommon. I fear it will get worse as I get older.

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Cincinnati, OH: Tim,

How do you, as a critic balance the artistic and technical issues of a performance? I have heard many technically superb performances that were frankly a musical, as well as very musical but rather pedestrian playing. Sitting in the audience it seems that quite a few people cannot tell the difference. While this sounds like a snobby question it is the essence of your job and I'm just curious to hear your opinion.

Also, where did you go to school.

Thanks

Tim Page: Hi. I went to school at the Tanglewood Music Center in Lenox (courses sponsored by New England Conservatory and Boston University), to the Mannes College of Music, and to the proverbial school of hard knocks (playing in bars, clubs and so on). But most of what I learned was gleaned from books and recordings and playing through scores.

What really makes appraisal difficult is when a performance has any number of technical shortcomings and still seems beautiful and moving. And, of course, the reverse -- something that is played brilliantly but without a spark of real musical life. Think of all the mistakes pianists like Alfred Cortot, Artur Schnabel and Mieczyslaw Horszowski used to make -- and who cared? Think of all the noteperfect performances [FILL IN THE BLANK WITH YOUR FAVORITE SUPERSTAR] plays in a given season -- and who cares?

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Washington, DC: Can you help me create a core classical music library? Something to build on. I was looking for the essentials and suggested artists. Thank you very, very much.

Tim Page: Hi -- I'll be happy to help. Try the list of "25 Recordings" at the top of this page and see if that is what you need. If it isn't, write back during our next chat and I'll try to do better.

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Buffalo, NY: For "Maryland": Morton Feldman, Steve Reich, Milton
Babbitt, Alvin Lucier, Roger Reynolds, and in the younger
generation Jason Eckardt and Aaron Cassidy.

Tim Page: Absolutely -- and the list could grow and grow. This is a very rich time for music.

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Silver Spring, Maryland: Dear Tim,
I think Schubert's Trout work is one of the most charming and delightful pieces of music. What was he thinking when he wrote it?

Tim Page: I'd never venture to guess what was going on in Schubert's mind when he was working on a given piece. He spent his life on a different plane.

I will note that the fourth movement is a set of variations on his song "Die Forelle" ("The Trout") -- which gives the quintet its nickname.

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Misplace Clappers: Years ago at the University of Delaware Peter Serkin gave a recital that ended with a not-too-familiar piece of pianistic modernism.

Someone clapped at the wrong spot between two early movements.

Serkin was upset, and decided to play games with the audience. At every later pause and every later movement break, he made "this is the end of the piece" faces and gestures...

but nobody took the bait and clapped. At the end he did the same thing, but there were enough knowledgeable music students around to start clapping.

He was NOT happy about it - I think he would have liked it better had he caught us.

Tim Page: Oh that's an interesting story.

Jean Sibelius used to say that he wanted people to leave performances of his Symphony No. 4 with no applause whatsoever, but in a mood of quiet and reflective dignity.

Glenn Gould went so far as to title one of his articles "Let's Ban Applause."

Now, I wouldn't go so far as either of these gentlemen. But I do wish people would hold their applause until the proper time. Remember Act I of "Der Rosenkavalier"? The curtain gets about half-way down and the marvelous music Strauss wrote to close the act is always lost in applause. It wrecks the spell that the composer and librettist have labored for more than an hour to build up. Ghastly -- and I don't know what to do about it.

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Takoma Park: Yeah, age dulls that musical ID facility. I can no longer identify which string quartet is playing a piece (which I used to be able to do for the majors such as Juliard, Quartetto Italiano, etc).

I went nuts trying to identify what turned out to be Beethoven's first piano trio - I was SURE it was by a Haydn who'd been cross-polinated with Schubert.

On second thought, I was right!;

Tim Page: Good point! Thanks for the chuckle.

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Washigton, DC: My fiance has never seen an opera and wants to go. Is there an opera or an opera company that you would reccomend for her? I was thinking of either the dc opera or going up to NYC to the Met (they have all the classics going)

Tim Page: Washington National Opera has a production of "Il Trovatore" opening up on October 23. I have no idea how it will be. You may be safest going up to New York and catching a performance of something that has already opened and established a reputation. Remember the New York City Opera, too, which is often excellent and much less pricey than the Met.

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Tim Page: Well, I'm going to stop a little early today, as I am typing in the business center of my hotel, and there are people here who would very much like to use the computer.

Thanks very much for tuning in and I look forward to speaking with you again, four weeks from today.

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Washington, D.C.: It seems likely that the couple could fall into the Generation O category (under 35) that WNO gives deeply discounted tickets to. The Web site has details

Tim Page: A couple last comments!

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First Opera, personal opinion: If you know your fiance likes Mozart, you might want to start with one of his. He just Mozarts along, but it's still opera and doesn't have some of the extreme unbelievability and shrill vocal exhibitionism of more esoteric operas.

Tim Page: God knows there is hardly anything more beautiful than "Figaro." I would put "Orfeo ed Euridice" up there, too.

And now I really must run. Thanks again.

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