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Bargaining in another country, airport taxi monopoly, cheap Hawaiian accommodations...

The Flight Crew, from left: John Deiner, Carol Sottili, Steve Hendrix, Anne McDonough, Gary Lee, K.C. Summers, Cindy Loose, Andrea Sachs. (Melissa Cannarozzi - for The Post)

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The Flight Crew:

Sorry folks--a little technical difficulty on our end. Half the machines are frozen. Bear with us while we stuff the wires back in the box.

Well, it still feels a bit warmer than usual for the week before Thanksgiving. But fall, and even winter, has been evident in recent days. (I flew out of BWI during the windstorm Friday--we didn't even taxi, just pulled away from the gate, the ground crew let go of the rope and we soared into the air).

We're a pretty full crew today. Ready to type are K.C. Summers, John Deiner, Cindy Loose, Anne McDonough, Andrea Sachs and, via satellite from Fairfax Station, Carol Sottili. And me, your emcee for the day, Steve Hendrix, just back from St. Simons Island.

Our audience query today (as a way of doing research for a story): When is it appropriate to bargain with vendors and merchants in the developing world and how far should a Westerner go in haggling for the best price.

The most thought-provoking answer will a win a swell prize--a brand new workout bag with a towel in it. Very nice (wish we could keep this one).

Here we go.

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Arlington, Va.: What percentage of the population is in the Mile High Club?

The Flight Crew:

Every parent in Denver.

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Wichita, Kan.: No question, I have a correction for your travel info.

Re Monument Valley, Utah does NOT require a four wheel nor an off road vehicle. I'm 65 and I drove Monument Valley in a 1994 Chevrolet Caprice. Mostly I drove the speed limit on good gravel roads. Yes, I did have to slow up in a rough spot or two, but I drove to every tourist spot on the map with NO trouble. Please don't scare people into taking the expensive Indian trips.

Ron W. Loutzenhiser

The Flight Crew: Thanks for your note. My experience was that on the tour I took, we spent a lot of time off-road and were up to our knees in sand much of the time. In fact, we had to get out at one point and push the vehicle out of the mire. Plus, I found our guide exceedingly helpful, so I knew what I was looking at most of the time and could ask questions. I think it's cool you can do it on your own, but I don't regret taking a tour, either.
-john

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I needa vacation...: Looking for recommendations for a beach location that's warm'ish, but not hot (say, 70 degrees) around T'giving and that, ideally, has biking and jogging paths, or at least a long, runable beach, and maybe some other things to do nearby. Would prefer few children. Rule out Santa Barbara and Sanibel because we've been. Suggestions?

The Flight Crew: The description sounds to me a bit like Ft. Lauderdale. Shouldn't be hot, and there is a really long paved path along the beach--although a road is one the other side of what basically is a wide sidewalk. Things to do nearby include a butterfly preserve, you can take a water taxi around town that's quite pleasant, esp. at night, and there are lots of clubs and such. Sanibel I like better because it's smaller and less intensely developed, but it also offers more to do. If you prefer California over Florida, nothing gets much better than the Big Sur area. Cindy

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Washington, D.C.: A few weeks ago someone wrote the Travel section asking for a list of National Parks one could travel to via a direct flight from Washington, DC and within 2 hour drive from the destination airport. I believe in addition to your response, others wrote in. Do you have the complete list?

Also, any suggestions for a 4-5 day Europe trip--6 hours or less flying time each way that is not Paris or Germany?

The Flight Crew: Sottili here: I recommended Zion in southwest Utah (Las Vegas); Mount Rainer, North Cascades and Olympic in Washington (Seattle); and Cuyahoga Valley National Park (Cleveland). Readers liked Rocky Mountain National Park (Denver); Everglades National Park (Miami); Great Smoky Mountains National Park (Knoxville); Mammoth Cave National Park (Nashville). Also got a couple of votes for Glacier National Park in Montana, although you have to take a connecting flight from Salt Lake City to Kalispell.

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Maui Rentals - Arlington, Va.: Hey guys! I love the chat.

I'm looking to rent a cottage or condo in Maui for a week in June. I've heard you can get this for as little as $300/week for bare-bones accomodations, but I haven't found anything on the web. Any thoughts on where to look?

Thanks!

The Flight Crew: Wow....$300 for the week?! That's really dirt cheap--you sure they didn't mean just sleeping in your rental car? I'd love to know if anyone out there has any info on these cheapo condos, since I'm heading there myself.

Whaddya say, Clicksters?

-john

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Roanoke, Va.: Has anyone tried to book a trip with Sceptre Tours to Ireland recently? (It's one of the companies that offers fly/drive/B&B packages.) Apparently, Sceptre now sells only through a select group of travel agents -- none of which is in my area, of course. Have you heard anything about what prompted this change?

The Flight Crew: Sceptre Tours has great Ireland deals, especially off-season, and I featured them a lot in the What's the Deal? column. However, I was not informed of this shift, and since travel companies are under a big financial crunch these days, it might have been an economic reason. Maybe they can save $$$ by arranging the trips but having someone else sell them. It should not matter much if the closest agent is, say, in Northern Virginia, since so much business now takes place online or on the phone. Plus, using a travel agent might lead you to some better deals than fixating on just one company. Let us know how it goes.--andrea

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Portland, Ore.: My husband and I are starting to plan our winter vacation to somewhere sunny (as Portland folks, we like rain, but we need a break around February or March). We're thinking about one of the Hawaiian islands, but don't know which one. We have no interest in museums or shopping or access to McDonald's--we're thinking in terms of spending a week reading and sleeping and lying on the beach, so we need somewhere nontouristy, with lots of sun, and access to beaches, and plenty of peace and quiet. Can such a thing be found? With all that one reads about Hawaii, it's beginning to sound a little like Disneyland, but with poi.

The Flight Crew: Sun and beaches are easy to come by in Hawaii, and while no hotel chain has overlooked that alluring combination, you can still find peace and quiet. In fact, you can find it here and there on all the islands, even Oahu, if you go to the further reaches of the island. I'd suggest, though, that you start looking at the least popular islands, like Molokai and Lanai. However, I personally would go for Kuai--it was long ago discoverd by developers, but it still has open places and great hiking spots. Cindy

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Bethesda, Md.: Last night (Sunday) I had my first experience with the Washington Flyer taxi service. During the 45 minute wait for a cab much of the discussion in the line turned to the origin of the Washington Flyer monopoly at Dulles.

Can you enlighten us on the orgin on the taxi monolopy at Dulles?

More importantly, do you have any recommendations for the best way to avoid the slow lines at peak times?

The Flight Crew: A pure and simple money grab by the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority, as I understand it Bethesda. By granting exclusive rights to one taxi company--and demanding a big fee in exchange--the airport gets a cut of the taxi cash. BWI offers the same ripoff.

Who does that hurt? All the independent drivers, of course, as they drop off passengers only to deadhead it home with empty backseats. But mainly the passengers who wait at all hours. I try not to laugh at those posters and announcements warning us not to use unauthorized taxis, that it's for our better service. For better service, go to National where a free market of taxis is always queued up to take you home.

--Steve

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Herndon, Va.: When is it appropriate to bargain - anytime!! You politely ask if you can get a discount, and if there's an affirmative answer, you say "how much?" and go on from there. If the answer is "no," just say "thank you" and start to leave. If you're not called back - it's your choice, stay and pay full price or keep walking. Side story - in Mexico several years ago I saw an "old pro" US expat with an accompanying friend whose outfit screamed "tourist," bargain a street vendor down to about 20 per cent of the original price. The friend tried to buy the item at that price and was actually told "Oh no, senora, for you the price goes back up." In other words, you have to bargain too, lady!

The Flight Crew: Anytime? Even when the poverty is dire and the vendor seems desparate to make sale?

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Reston, Va.: Greetings all - I have a couple of questions that I'm hoping you can help me with. I'm going on a 2-week vacation to New Zealand in a couple of weeks. Are there any restrictions the airlines might have on having a smaller suitcase inside of a larger suitcase in order to bring back all the goodies I find? Am I still allowed to have two suitcases these days? And more importantly, since we are not supposed to lock our suitcases, how can I be sure that none of my purchases mysteriously disappear from my suitcase on the way home?

The last question - I know it will be late Spring/early Summer down there, and that the temperature might range from the 50's to the 70's - correct? But how are we supposed to dress down there? Are they blue-jean casual? Will we be frowned upon if we don't dress up at night? I'm trying to pack as few clothes as possible, so the fewer fancy duds I have to bring the better.

Thanks!

The Flight Crew: Lucky you, Reston. You can put your smaller suitcase inside a larger one for the trip down, as long as you don't exceed the weight requirements. But have you considered buying one of those collapsible bags that fold up into nothing, then expand when you need them? Might be a lot easier. As for locks, did you see our CoGo item yesterday on the new TSA-approved locks now available (so far) through Brookstone? Security agents have the special keys and secret codes required to open them, so no more breaking locks; then they lock the bags up after they search. Only problem is that the locks only work with TSA screeners right now, so if screeners at an international destination decide they need to get in, you're out of luck.

As for dress, you're right, N.Z. is ultra-casual. Andrea, who went last year, says that if you're wearing socks, that's considered formal dress. -- KC

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Reston, Va.: When I was in South Africa, I went to a flea market in Cape Town on a daily basis. They WANTED my friend and I to haggle with them. In fact, one vendor got such a kick out of our trying to bargain with them, that he looked forward to seeing us and we befriended him. On our last day in Cape Town, I asked him if there was anything I could do or send to him from the States. He asked me to contact his cousin in the Embassy of Qatar and give him his current contact information. When I arrived back home, I called the embassy and relayed the message to the vendor's cousin. The man actually wept when I gave him the information. He said his family had lost contact with him and they didn't know where he was for years. The cousin ended up taking me to lunch as a thank you, and he even tried to set me up with the Prince of Qatar!! YIKES! I declined, but it's nice to say that I ALMOST dated a Prince.... Moral of the story - be careful when you haggle - you could end up married to a foreign dignitary!

The Flight Crew: You should have gone out the prince. Look what happened Queer Noor of Jordan.

And I agree that a lot of cultures expect you go back and forth on the price a bit.

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Washington, D.C.: Re: Haggling

Maybe I'm a softie, but if there is a tremendous disparity between my standard of living and that of the person trying to sell me something, and if the item appears to be a fair price, I wouldn't haggle, or put up only a token resistance. If I were in a more developed tourist area, where prices appeared inflated, I might haggle a little more, but only if the purchase was a high one. An extra dollar might not mean much to me, but might mean a lot to a vendor in the developing world, and it would seem churlish to me to deprive him or her of it.

The Flight Crew:

Hear, hear, WDC. That's where I come down. --Steve

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Arlington, Va.: Hi,

Someone suggested Turks & Caicos to have beautiful beaches. After checking out some sites on the web, I agree. But I get the feeling that this is a great place for couples and not for a couple with a 6 year old. What are your thought and if I'm incorrect, which resort do you recommend?
We loved the Hawks Cay Resort at Duck Key, FL and we want something similar for April of 2004.

The Flight Crew: I loved Grand Turk, but mostly because it didn't have the big resorts. For resorts, your only option in Turks and Caicos is on the island of Provinciales. I didn't get the impression that places there were unfriendly to children--I stayed at the Alexandria resort with my 10 year old and had a fine time. None of the islands have much in the way of night life, so they are not attracting a wild couples party crowd. But at the same time, it seems like maybe you are looking for a major resort kind of experience, and most resorts in Provo are rather small. Actually, I don't know Hawks Cay, but if indeed it's a big resort with tons to do on sight, then I'm not sure T&C is your place. For big resorts, I'd say look at Grand Caymen, or maybe an all inclusive in Jamaica. Cindy

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Los Angeles, Calif.: My husband and I are thinking of going to the Everglades in May. We would like to go camping and canoeing, although we have no canoeing experience. Do you have a suggestion of a tour that caters to people in their mid-20s? Also, we want to take a two week vacation -- what else in the area should we check out? Thanks.

The Flight Crew: Hey, L.A. That's probably the latest anyone should go to the Everglades. It's really cool down there--and really really hot. And humid. And buggy. That said, I don't know of any tour companies that offer the camping/canoeing combo, though I'm sure they're out there (can anyone out there lend a hand?). Perhaps, you can check with the park; the Web site is www.nps.gov/ever.

As for what else to do, that's a great time to visit South Florida. From Sanibel south to Naples/Marco on the Gulf coast, and West Palm Beach south to the Keys on the East Coast, there's just tons to see and do--and all within a few hours' drive. In two weeks, you can see a lot of the area. I'd definitely try to make it to Key West and Miami/South Beach, plus Sanibel is just about the nicest spot in the state. And take a fanboat ride! They're kitschy, but fun.

-john

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Rockville, Md.: Hi Flight Crew: Could you recommend places to visit in Europe in the winter? My husband and I were thinking of going to Spain and Portugal this December. Are there any other places that have more temperate weather at that time? Thanks so much!!

washingtonpost.com: Europe in Winter: Cool!, (Post, Nov. 12, 2002)

The Flight Crew: Both Spain and Portugal should fit your needs. A year or so ago I sunned myself on the beach in southern Portugal in December, and we dined at outdoor cafes. Greece of course could be pleasant in Dec. as well. Cindy

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Chevy Chase, Md.: I have a college student going to Spain for the spring semester who needs a visa. Do you recommend using a visa service or should I go to the embassy myself? Can you recommend a reliable visa service? Thanks.

The Flight Crew: If she is going with a university or accredited program, ask them if they have a service rep or if they or you are in charge of acquiring the visa (sometimes groups get the visas en masse). If not, then it is really easy just to pop over to the Spanish Embassy on Pennsylvania Avenue and drop it off and pick it up (I just did that for Vietnam and Cambodia and it was so much cheaper than using a visa service and took mere minutes--plus a week to process). For info: www.spainemb.org/ingles/consulate/Student.htm. They are open 9:30 a.m. to 12:30 daily.--andrea

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Potomac, Md.: I'm looking for suggestions of places to stop and ways to avoid I95 from DC to Ft. Lauderdale. We have to be there by New Years Eve, but I decided that it might be fun to make the trip down there into a roadtrip vacation. We can take 5-6 days, but now the decision is where to stop. We are very open to all options - Savannah, though is out because we were just there. It would be fun to break up the trip so that we never have to drive more than 5 - 6 hours per day.

The Flight Crew: I'll kick the ball off by suggesting Wilmington, N.C., St. Simons Island, Ga. and maybe the Space Coast.

Anyone else?

-Steve

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Tysons Corner, Va.: Has anyone in the Flight Crew ever used Melatonin to prevent jet lag for a really long flight? Does it really work? I just bought some and the bottle says to take no more than one tablet in a 24 hour period, but the guy at the store said to take more for a longer flight.

The Flight Crew: Hey, Tysons. As luck would have it, we have a little piece on jet lag coming up this weekend. Turns out that melatonin works okay for some, not so great for others. Three doctors we talked to suggested using something along the lines of Ambien so you can really zzzz out.
-john

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College Park, Md.: Got back from London last week, and I just wanted to thank whoever rec'ed Spitalfields (sp?) Market a couple of weeks ago. It was amazing, and one of the high points of my trip. I bought some of the most amazing things there, and had a blast just wandering through the stalls.

The Flight Crew: Why that we me, CP. Glad to hear you enjoyed it as much as I did. --Steve

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New York, NY: Hi Crew - Quick question that I'm having trouble finding on the Web - Is English one of the predominant languages spoken in India? How about South Africa (Cape Town, Johannesburg)?

The Flight Crew: Given the long history of British colonialism in both places, you will certainly find lots of people speaking English in both places, although of course not everyone. Cindy

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Code Sharing Hell: Help!; Our family of five booked tickets in September through US Air for flights operated by United. Because one member of our family is disabled and we are more comfortable sitting near the front of the plane, we immediately called United to request our seats. Several weeks later we received a receipt from US Air listing seats much further back in the plane for our outbound flight and no seats listed for our return flight.

When we called United to find out what happened to our seating request, we were informed that US Air had cancelled our seating requests for reasons that United could not explain and that they currently had no seating assignments for us as even the seats indicated on the US Air receipt were no longer available and could only offer us seats at the back of the plane. We told United that this was unacceptable but they said that putting us back in our originally assigned seats would "disservice other passengers." When we inquired about the disservice we were receiving, the customer service supervisor replied that he would not talk to us about it. When we asked to speak to a manager, he informed us that none was available. When we asked him to have a manager contact us, he said that he refused to pass on the message (we have his name and will make a formal complaint about such customer service) and he instructed us to call US Air since they "cancelled our seating request."

US Air stated that they never cancelled our seating request but that United has made scheduling changes (changed aircrafts) multiple times and that each time, our seating assignments have been wiped out. US Air stated that they have requested on multiple occasions that United provide us with new seating assignments and that United has failed to respond. US Air claims that they have no access to seating assignments and cannot assist us.

Needless to say our family is disgusted by the two airlines constantly passing the buck and poining fingers at one another. And while I understand that no seat assignment is permanent, I fail to understand why they can no longer honor a seating request which they were able to accomodate two months ago. (I am aware that we could get disabled seating at the gate but our experience has been that we get split up and one person winds up having to assist the disabled member of our family for the entire flight, a scenario we would like to avoid.)

Any suggestions on how to resolve this matter? United and US Air have been code sharing for a year and problems are still persisting without any accountability. Thanks.

The Flight Crew: Sottili here: I can understand your annoyance, but I'm surprised you got any seats. It's becoming common for airlines not to give out seats until flight day (a trick to getting seats before you get to the airport - go online to get your boarding pass as soon as the airline will allow it because you can request seats then). The airlines hold back the good seats until it's close to go time, so that they can reserve better seats for their better passengers. In other words, the business guy who books the day before and pays through the nose is going to get a better seat than the tourist who books months in advance and pays the lowest price. My guess is that someone at United erred by giving you the good seats, and when that was discovered, they wiped it out. I'm surprised that the United rep wouldn't let you talk to a supervisor - that's not right. Have you tried calling customer care reps for US Airways and United? Phone numbers are 866-523-5333 and 877-228-1327 respectively. And if you get stuck with the seats you have, take turns and change seats during the flight.

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San Francisco, Calif.: After fruitless efforts to sell an airline voucher, I've decided to let fate take its course and use this as an excuse for a spontaneous solo trip to NYC before heading home for Christmas. Working for a nonprofit and a recent move means funds are low, though...

Any suggestions for doing this on the -very- cheap (maybe $200-300)? I'm considering a red-eye there and two nights of hotel (or hostel, if that makes the most sense), to give me three full days without the added cost. I've only been to NYC once before - long ago - and would like to get as much of the fun holiday spirit of the town without wasting money on the overly-touristy stuff. What are some good freebies/cheap sites or experiences? I work in the arts and would love to hit as much of the cultural spots as possible. Best deals for Broadway shows, Radio City, or even the Nutcracker? Other must-dos or sees? If it helps, I'm a single mid-20s female who is (thanks to your great chats) VERY excited about my first truly solo vacation.

The Flight Crew: Hey San Fran,
The holiday season is a wonderful time to be in NY when the budget's tight, because there's so much to see just by walking around, like the department store windows (check out last year's Dec. 8th article), the tree and skating at Rockefeller Center (just watching the skating is free, of course; skip skating there and go instead to Wollman Rink for a wonderful Central Park skating experience that doesn't break the bank). Coming up are a few links, including a Sept 2003 piece about NY on the cheap and the last NYC special issue, from April 2003, which focuses on Museum Mile on the Upper East Side, to satisfy your arts craving several times over. Here's another free entertainment tip: if you're into photography, B&H Photo is a not-to-be-missed experience. It's a photo/video store run by Hasidic Jews (so closed Friday afternoon through Saturday) that has more photo equipment equipment than you could ever imagine, and there's this magic conveyor belt that swings overhead and transports all of your purchases around the store. I try to go there whenever I'm in the city--just walking around there is fun. It's at 33rd and 9th Avenue. For rooming, check quikbook.com and places like West End Studios, (212-662-6000; I just called to find that singles are $75; there's a 1.5-year-old review of it in our archives, as well, if you look under "budget").
Any budget suggestions out there from the clicksters?
--Anne

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washingtonpost.com: Free Cities! (Well, Almost.), (Post, Sept. 14, 2003)

The Flight Crew: Here you go, San Fran. Thanks .com!

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washingtonpost.com: Museum Mile High, (Post, April 13, 2002)

The Flight Crew: And here's the scoop on NY's Upper East Side museums

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Washington, D.C.: I'm thinking of spending a few days at a spa/resort within driving distance over New Year's. I've read online all of your recent reviews of the nearby spas, but I'm not sure which one might be most appropriate for a single woman in her 30s. Any thoughts from you or other chatters, especially on how things might be different over a holiday? Thanks!;

The Flight Crew: Wash, I went to the Greenbrier during the Christmas season by myself a couple of years and was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to fit in -- people were friendly, service was great and I never felt awkward. But I suspect things might be different on a couples-intensive holiday like New Year's. Or are you talking more about daytime spa stuff and less about New Year's festivities? Anyone have experience with this? -- KC

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Lincoln Park, Washington, D.C.: Re: Bargaining

Brgaining is not only acceptable, but recommended when traveling in cultures where bargaining is part of the native culture, as it is in, say, Morocco or Turkey. Otherwise, I bargain when it seems that prices are higher for travelers than for locals. I do not want to pay extra for people who work with tourists, since this might have a detrimental impact to the development of that country - everyone would want to work with tourists if they spread money around like it grows on trees. On the other hand, I do not usually bargain if prices seem fair or I am buying little trinkets from the people who actually make them. Spending an extra buck or two makes no difference to me, but it might to them.

The Flight Crew: I think you're right about the possible effects of tourist inflation (there are places in the world where locals can no longer afford to take taxis).

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Arlington, Va.: I believe when the Washington Flyer taxi service monopoly first started it was allegedly due to the fact that Dulles was so far away from everything that the only way to get taxis to go there at all was to set up a service like Washington Flyer. As the area has changed over the last 30-40 years though I guess those conditions have changed quite a bit. I seem to remember a movement a couple f years ago when their contract was up for renewal to eliminate the monopoly, but I think it failed because the opposition was splintered or because the people run Washington Flyer have cultivated the right friends in the right places.

The Flight Crew: Yes, I think that's right. A driver revolt led them to out the guy who founded Washington Flyer. But then they simply sold the contract to another company and maintained the monopoly.

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Packing Question:: I am headed west of the Mississippi this weekend for a gala. I do not want to check my gown for the gala b/c time constraints are such that I can't afford to have my luggage lost. Is there a way to fold the gown either within a carry-on hanging bag or wheeled carry-on that will minimize the wrinkles. My thought is I can't steam out the dress when I get there. Any suggestions? Thanks!;

The Flight Crew: Steve thinks you should wear it on the plane. But I swear by dry-cleaning bags. Have you ever tried this? For some reason, if you fold a garment in one of those filmy bags that dry cleaning comes back in, the clothes doesn't wrinkle. I swear! -- KC

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20007: Hello,

When I go to garage sales/flea markets in the US, I bargain like a mad fool. But when I was in Mexico, I had the same question you posed today. A lot of people get a rush out of bargaining there, as you can get a deep discount from the original inflated offer. What I did was to ask for a reduced price that wasn't too crazy, and then when they said ok, I bought the item. That way, the vendors still made a profit,and I still got a discount from the original offer. They ask for a lot in the beginning, dollars for a product that cost them pennies. So on one hand, you don't want to be overcharged. BUt I think it is more important that you feel good about your transaction, rather than bragging about how much you cut someone's price. Does that make sense? Bargaining witha conscience or something..

The Flight Crew: Interesting practice, 007. Thanks.

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Washington, DC: Regarding your audience query for today:
The only times that it's appropriate to haggle, in my opinion, is where it is culturally expected (ie, you wouldn't think of doing business without haggling), or when you're short of cash but really want the item. While I understand the value of bargaining (and hard core bargainers will undoubtedly tell me I'm way off), if you are paying in a currency of the developing world you are getting a heck of a deal. If you're buying in a wealthy country, haggle away. However, if you're buying in a developing country it's morally reprehensible to not pay these people the fraction of the US price they are asking. Know the value of the item you want in the US, and you will see how great a deal you get at full price in most other parts of the world.

The Flight Crew: Lot's of thougtful shoppers with us today. Thanks.

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Annapolis, Md.: I got roped into going on one of those all inclusive trips at a resort called the barcelo something or other south of cancun with the inlaws in late january. I'm more of an adventure traveler and was wondering if there are any opportunities there are for me outside of the resort walls. Are there any day trips that I can take?

The Flight Crew: Sottili here: There are adventure tours in the area. Go to www.alltournative.com. I went on one of their eco tours, snorkeling in a cenote, kayaking, etc., and really enjoyed it. And the Barelo isn't bad. Drink a couple of pina coladas and enjoy the mariachi music.

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Kinch from Beltsville: Hi, gang,

Last week you had a person who was going to Las Vegas. I found this info too late to submit it then, so I'm hoping the person will read it today.

In my opinion one of the best sites for info on Vegas is www.lasvegasadvisor.com.

Half of it is for members only (which you can become for a fee) the other half is yours to surf for free. Be sure to check out the Top 10 deals of the month.

Enjoy,

Kinch

The Flight Crew: Thanks, Kinch. Since a bunch of us are going to Vegas in a couple of weeks, we'll check this out.

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Canada vacation: Hey Crew,

I am trying to work out a vacation to Canada. I wanted to fly from PHI or BWI to Toronto, stay a few days, and then take a train to Montreal and stay a couple of days. I am really new to this, and I was wondering: how can I put this kind of itinerary in the discount travel sites (can I even do that?), and in your experience, would it make sense to fly back to the states from Montreal, or take the train back to Toronto and fly back? Any insight would be helpful!;

The Flight Crew: Discount web sites aren't very good at multi destinations with various means of travel. I'd either see a travel agent or else plug each leg of the destination into a site and see how the pricing looks. Of course it's better not to have to return to your first destination in order to get home from your second destination, but you have to price it all out to see if the price difference is enough to justify the circle tour. Try pricing out taking the train one way back to the U.S. from Montreal. Given the hassle of plane travel and making flight connections, taking a train from downtown Montreal probably wouldn't take a whole lot more time than getting from downtown Montreal to the airport, making a connection that allows for flight delays, and then flying from Toronto home--plus it should be a pleasant trip. Cindy

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Fairfax, Va.: Someone in a previous chat asked about
a short but photogenic road trip during the
Thanksgiving break. The best place for
that is Skyland in the Shenandoah
National Park. The last night they are
open this year is Nov. 29. You can't beat
the price and the scenery is even better
during the winter when the leaves are off
the trees and you can see forever. Check
out the National Park Service info at
http://www.visitshenandoah.com/accomm
odations.htm.

The Flight Crew: Great suggestion, Fx. Thanks.

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Around the corner: Travel Dudes,

Submitting early since I have a meeting this afternoon. I'm flying to London X-mas morning. How crowded do you think the plane will be? Any chance of getting an upgrade?

Thanks!;!;

The Flight Crew: Sottili here: I don't think the plane will be crowded. I don't think you'll get an upgrade unless you have loads of miles or you're famous or it's your birthday or you remind the ticket agent of his/her lost love.

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Bethesda, Md.: Hey,
Could you provide a link to your latest article on Iceland (going in January)? Also, any thoughts on how to spend vacation time in the Seattle-Portland area in March? We like good accommodations, outdoor activities, wine, nice food (then again who doesn't?) Thanks!

washingtonpost.com: Earth to Iceland, (Post, June 30, 2002)

The Flight Crew: Here's the link---can others out there help us with Seattle/Portland suggestions? Thanks. Cindy

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Question of the day: Your question implies that we somehow know what's better for these poor unfortunates. I say, if they're willing to sell, why not?

The Flight Crew: This is an area fraught with complexity. Here's where I come from: I was a happy bargainer for decades and found myself fully committed to blood-sport haggling. After all, it's what the locals seemed to expect. After a day or tow immersed in the local economy, I would bare down ruthlessly over 50 cents, even letting something go by that I really wanted if I didn't feel triumphant over the deal.

Then recently, in Burma, I was brought up short by seeing Westerners--not just Americans--haggling HARD with people who were more than poor, they were in some cases seemingly desperate. Still the shoppers pushed. It struck me that these people were willing to take a big loss on any given sale if that meant they could have food for their children that night.

I didn't make me condemn all bargaining. But it showed me that it's not ALWAYS right, no matter what the local custom.

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Falls Church, Va.: It has become our tradition to go to the beach just after Christmas, and this year, we were thinking about exploring the Jersey Shore, with a focus on Lighthouses and Springsteen. We're fans of both, we had planned to see the Northern lights (Sea Girt, Navesink and Sandy Hook) and then finish in Asbury Park, then do the southern sights working our way down to Cape May. Any suggestions on interesting B&B or Inn type places in the Asbury Park area. Any other must sees along the shore (we'll have to decide if Atlantic City is in the holiday spirit)? Is there any of Springsteen's Asbury Park, in Asbury Park? Do you have a favorite in Cape May? Can this be done in two or three days?

Your guidance in these matters would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

The Flight Crew: Hey, Falls. That's a neat tradition.

First, you can definitely see the Jersey coast south from Sandy Hook in just a few days. Keep in mind that just lots and lots of things are going to be closed then, so be sure before you go that the lighthouses are open for tours, and any other sites. For the biggest touch of Springsteen in Asbury Park, you'll have to head to the Stone Pony, the legendary music club--check www.stoneponyonline.com for a schedule of shows. The rest of the town is still struggling back from years of neglect, though there have been some signs of life in recent years. For a place to stay, head over the inlet from Asbury to nearby Spring Lake, which is a beautiful, ritzy little community with a number of very nice BnBs. Check www.springlake.org for more info.

Some other things you should see (again, check ahead to see if they're open) are Lucy the Margate Elephant, just south of Atlantic City; Island Beach State Park, just south of Seaside; Barnegat Light on Long Beach Island; the Forsythe National Wildlife refuge outside of Atlantic City and just about anything in Cape May--it's a lovely place to just stroll around. If you're into '50s pop architecture, the motels of Wildwood are fascinating, though, again, they're best seen at night when the neon is blazing and many will be closed in January.

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Arlington, Va.: Not quite a bargining story, but fits with the Western Guilt aspect - my husband was in St. Petersburg Russia for a meeting. His hosts took him on a tour of the sites. All the museums (Hermitage, etc) have one price for Russians and one (10 times or so greater) for all others. He looks Russian, so his hosts told him to keep his mouth shut and let them buy the tickets, so he would be charged the Russian price. He argued against that, seeing as even the tourist price was dirt cheap. However, he was told that the Tourist price was robbery, and they would let him be so cheated. He diplomatically relented, but when he could, slipped a tip to the babushka at the door at the end.

The Flight Crew: Geeze, there's no end to the variations.

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Dumb question?: I'm flying this Thanksgiving for the first time in years and all I have is an "eticket". The airline just emailed me a passenger receipt and itinerary. I know I have to use this to pick up my boarding pass, but is there anything else I need to do before the day of my flight? Thanks from an "old fogy".

The Flight Crew: Sottili here: No such thing as a dumb question in this forum - we love all our participants. You can get rid of any vestage of being out-of-the-know by logging on to the airline's site and finding out whether they issue Internet boarding passes. Many now do within a day or two of the travel date - you plug in your confirmation number and you receive a boarding pass that you print out at home. You can even pick your seats. Then, when you get to the airport, you can go right through security and check in at the gate, as long as you have carry-on luggage. If you're not up to that, just take that sheet of paper you have now to either curbside check-in or the ticket counter and you should be fine.

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Miami, Fla.: No question. About condo rentals on Maui - the least expensive and decent we've found are with Destination Resorts. DRHMaui.com. But they are more than $300/week.

The Flight Crew: Thanks, Miami.

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Washington, DC : Regarding Monument Valley (and Canyon de Chelly for that matter): You are absolutely right that the authorized Native American guided trips are well worth the expense. It's true that you can drive around Monument Valley in an ordinary car on ordinary gravel roads -- but your experience is ordinary. There are areas of Monument Valley -- particularly Mystery Valley with its wealth of pictographs and small ancient dwelling sites -- that you are not allowed into without a qualified guide. Additionally, you miss out on a very important and unique cultural experience.

The Flight Crew: Thanks, DC. I agree completely--maybe it's just me, but sometimes I think folks are too fast to sneer at guided tours when often they can be terribly rewarding.
-john

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Maui: Found these, but not quite $300:

http://www.mauivacationdiscounts.com/pineapple_studio.html

http://www.maui.cc/HaikuStreams.html

The Flight Crew: You guys rock. Thanks for the assistance.

-john

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Washington, D.C.: On your bargaining question ... as an Indian-American who frequently travels to Delhi, I can tell you that the vendors will inflate prices not just for Westerners, but also for non-resident Indians. When we were children, my parents would order us not to speak English when out shopping!

As for Westerners bargaining, you have to decide whether it's really worth it to save a dollar or two, which is often what it comes down to. I've certainly over-paid bicycle rickshaw drivers, after realizing that trying to bargain down from 15 Rs. to 10 Rs. saves me a grand total of 10 cents. The extra money means a lot more to the rickshaw driver than it does to me.

The Flight Crew: Thanks, WDC

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Washington, DC: Hello!; I will be flying to Dallas in January for a wedding and then I would love to fly onto Costa Rica for a week's vacation. Will airlines permit a 2 day layover stop on one roundtrip ticket? (I was assuming that my flight to Costa Rica would have stopped in Dallas anyway.) Or will I have to purchase two separate roundtrips?

The Flight Crew: Layovers of two days are possible in certain places at certain times---but in any particular case, you have to ask the airlines the specifics of your case. Actually, most flights to Costa Rica stop in Miami, rather than Dallas, but what I would do is go online at sa Orbitz or Travelocity, type in your dates, chose a time you like that happens to go through Dallas, then call the airline and ask if you can have a two day layover. One day is much more likely--and maybe one day would be enough in Dallas?

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Oaxaca, Meixco: the only solution to haggling is to know the price you are willing to pay and pay only that. If you do not get them below that price, it's still a good deal and you don't hav to ask yourself for the rest of your life if you could have gotten a better price. if the price is igher than your price, give it a try and if it doesn't come down, get lost. but if they tell you what a good deal you're getting, you're probably paying too much. Adios.

The Flight Crew: And some practical advise from haggle country.

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McLean, Va.: Based on the nature of your jobs, I know that you travel solo quite a bit?and based on your previous writings, you not only seem to make the most of it, but also thoroughly enjoy the solo experience. I'm looking to use my remaining vacation time for its intended purpose next month by taking a (reasonably priced) trip, although it will have to be solo, which I've never done. Are there any destinations (preferably within the contiguous U.S.) that you would highly recommend in December? Outdoorsy, beachy, urban, whatever. I will be in the NE corridor for the holidays so NYC (an obvious choice) and the like are already covered. Thanks!

The Flight Crew: You're right, McLean. Even those of us who used to despise traveling solo have come to see its merits, since we have to do so much of it for our jobs. I can even eat a meal all by myself now without cringing, sort of.

I'm a big fan of cities in winter and I think Philly or Boston would be great in December -- as would anyplace with lots of museums, shopping, cafes etc. For warmer climes, consider Savannah or Charleston. But I can't tell if you want to avoid the whole northeast corridor or just New York. If you want to head west, how about San Francisco? Or do you like parks? How about Saguaro NP, near Tucson? Decemer there would be perfect. -- KC

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Bargaining: With a small exception, I tend to agree with most of what has been posted about bargaining. BUT if you just pay what they ask, even if it's literally a couple of bucks and you figure "why not, it's so cheap anyway," you should be aware that you may be marking yourself as someone who can be scammed.

Especially if you are one of only few tourists around, if you go up and pay "full" price for something, you've basically put a sign on your forehead that says "I'm a fool, please rip me off." So at least make an effort to bargain, even at already-low prices.

The Flight Crew: The scaret "T" for tourist.

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Alexandria, Va.: To tour or not to tour, that is the question.

My husband and I are off to Italy (Rome, Florence, Venice) for 7 days this Wednesday (my first trip to Europe!).

Should we do tours or would that just cut into valuable sightseeing time?

The Flight Crew: Hey Alex,
I'd pick up the expat newspapers in each city (often available at big hotels as well as the American Embassy/consulates) and see what walking tours are on for the day. A few years ago I took an absolutely marvelous walking tour that met at the metro stop near the Forum (the name of the company is escaping me, it was something like Rome Walks) and the two hours were a perfect way to tsee the biggies without having to peek at a guidebook all of the time. But other than walking tours, I'd say do it all independently; these cities are all extremely accessible and wonderful to explore. Enjoy your European debut!
--Anne

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Washington, D.C.: RE: Bargaining

Whenever we go to Vietnam, we always let our family (who live there) do the haggling -- they know how much things really cost, plus vendors can spot an American a mile away.

Once when we were shopping, my sister attempted to help out a tourist. He was buying shoes from one vendor. She went next door and bargained for the same shoes. After she told him they were cheaper and he went next door, the first vendor got very angry and rude towards us.

In my opinion, we Americans (or Westerners in general) can bargain all we want, think we got a great deal, but we probably will still have paid too much.

The Flight Crew: No likes to be ripped off, WDC. It's a fine line.

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No Bargaining in Arlington: I realize that some view bargaining in public markets as "part of the game" or even "respecting the culture," but it seems problematic to me. Bargaining is part of the culture because these people are poor and therefore need to make their money stretch. Even when the markets are geared towards tourists, the idea that you are bargaining with peasants and poor people over an insignificant amount of money seems rather cruel.

I guess if it appears that the "game" is to get tourists to bargain (or if I was really poor myself or strapped for cash) then I guess I would bargain, but not make a drama out of it. In all other situations, it seems to smack of ugly imperialism and colonialism.

The Flight Crew: But it sure is easy to get swept up by the game, Arl. Keep your head is my new mantra.

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Birthday in Vegas: THanks for the great discussions!; I'm taking a friend to Vegas for a 30th birthday weekend. I don't have tons of money to spend (no first class flight or Bellagio for us!;), but I would like to make things as special as possible. Here's how far I've gotten: I've booked a room at the Luxor, which is in my price range. And we're going out to Zion and staying at the lodge there on Saturday. Any other ideas for making a special birthday weekend? Such as, is Cirque du Soleil worth the $100 price, could I get a better hotel for my money?

The Flight Crew: There are lots of free things to do, like watch the fountains dancing at Bellagio and the (now racy) pirate show at Treasure Island. Check Vegas.com for ideas; they have a whole category of free attractions. Also, for nearer-by hikes, you can trek Red Rocks. There is also the Derek Daly race-car driving academy. Though prices are sky-high to test drive, it might be fun to watch the student drivers. Vegas.com also lists some well-priced tours of Sin City, the old and neon-new. You could also treat your friend to an amazing dessert and cocktail (same price as an entree in our world) at some of the ritzier restaurants, like Picasso.
Yes, Cirque du Soleil is a mind-boggling experience (one of my pals said that Mystere could solve world peace), but it is pricy. Instead, you could look for some B-level entertainment, like Celine (oops, just kidding). No, like the hypnotist at Stardust. The whole club scene is also very hot, so that might worth a look and a swirl (Rain at the Palms is of note). You didn't say what you paid or your price range for hotels, so I am not sure what to say about Luxor, except that it's a good midrange property. Sign up for email deals at some of the other resorts, though, and you might get a good deal last minute. Also, check Expedia et al for Vegas hotel deals, as well Quikbook. --andrea

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Los Angeles, Calif.: I've just returned from a trip to Kenya and want to encourage anyone who is considering going but is reluctant because of the travel warning to go ahead and take the trip. While Nairobi can be a dangerous city (as any city can) it is not due to terrorist activity but the usual hazards of street crime. Outside of the city once you get to the game reserves the only real hazard we ever encountered were the bad roads! The animals were amazing and plentiful and the people couldn't have been more nice and welcoming. The tourism of Kenya is suffering because of our governments warning and it's a shame.

The Flight Crew: Hey LA--
Your experience goes along with what Carol, our Q&A expert, as said in her column. I'd certainly go to Kenya(not that anyone's throwing a ticket at me. But if they were to, I'd go). Glad to hear that your trip was spectacular!
-Anne

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Christmas Travel: The caveat to the comfort (and possible deals) from traveling on the holiday is the lack of service that may await you at your destination. In London, for instance, the Tube and trains are closed (as is Heathrow Express, I believe), and there are numerous closures on Boxing Day as well, so some attractions may be shut for the first two days of your visit.

The Flight Crew: Sottili here: The tube and naitonal rail are closed on Dec. 25, but Heathrow Express operates. Tube and national rail reopen for Boxing Day but on holiday schedules.

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for the Solo NYC Traveler from San Fran:
Check out this link:

http://www.bigapplegreeter.org/

No experience with this, but it's free!;

The Flight Crew: Thanks!

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Alexandria, Va.: Flight Crew, congratulations on your journalism awards, especially Cindy, way to go!! I am submitting early as I have last minute errands to run and have to take the dogs to the kennel. We leave for Jamaica tomorrow. We are staying in an all-inclusive in Negril. I am hoping you can give me some suggestions on cultural things to see in the area. Also, what crafts are done in the area that would make good souvenirs? I have read mixed reviews on the Grand Lido, where we will be staying. The most common complaint is the service at the front desk when checking in. Any suggestions on how to make this less of a hassle? Perhaps I should try the candy bar bribe mentioned in a previous chat.

The Flight Crew: Thanks.
The best craft things I can remember from Jamaica are wood sculptures, usually carved animal shapes. You'll just naturally see what there is, without looking too hard.

As for cultural things, I don't believe there is anything like a museum in Negril. I remember going to a great bar that overlooks cliffs that people risk their lives jumping from---any hotel employee will know the place from that description. If by culture you mean people playing steel drums, you'll find that without looking. You might also find some estate from the colonial times, but really, Jamaica is more about beaches than about culture. Also be aware there was some rioting there recently. All should be fine, but personally, I would stick to touristed sites and not wonder alone too far and wide. Cindy

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Washington, DC: I always bargain in developing nations. I would never try to get below the local price and am usually willing to pay a bit extra, too. I like to bargain to a point that the seller isn't laughing at you for being a sucker but that reasonably pays the person for the service or item. I generally will not bicker over a price difference under $1 USD. When it gets down to cents, I have the sense to realize that 50 cents is nothing to me, but a few meals for the seller's family. I am willing to pay more for tourist items like handicrafts. I think this money ensures this part of the culture continues and I am in not in competition with local buyers. With items such as food, I don't want to raise the prices for the locals by being willing to pay more.

The Flight Crew: I was in Nairobi with my brother in law once. I bought a copper bracelet (that I still wear) for $1. At another shop, he bought essentially the same bracelet for $10, along with lots of other tourist junk. He never bargained a lick. When he left, he said the two young shop owners bounced out of the store pumping their hands in the air.

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For Seattle/Portland: I'm a big fan of the Hilton Executive Towers in Portland. It's right in downtown--and there are plenty of fantastic restaurants within walking distance. There's quite a bit to do in the city (the Saturday Market is great!;), and it's still only a short drive out to the vineyards in the Wilamette Valley, or to see many of the absolutely spectacular waterfalls dotting the area.

The Flight Crew: Thanks. The fish market isn't exactly a big secret, but I remember from a long ago trip it's being pleasant. Cindy

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RE: Flying over Thanksgiving: I have always lived close to family and hence have been blessed to avoid the Thanksgiving Airport Madness.

This year, however, we will be traveling. To avoid the Wednesday nightmare, we are leaving DCA first thing (7 A.M.) Thursday morning. What should we expect? Typical weekday-morning crowd, or crazier (if it helps, we're flying US Airways).

Thank you.

The Flight Crew: Turkeys-running-around-without-their-heads crazy, but not as bad as the day before. Expect the worst, so anything slightly better will be like a gift from the Thanksgiving Bunny. (also DCA should not be as hellish as BWI.)--andrea

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Re: Spitalfield's Market: Followup question for the Spitalfield Market post, how easy is it to get to the market? Is it near a tube stop? What other places of interest to a tourist are nearby?

The Flight Crew: I think it's a pain to get to, but I had a local friend drive me, so I'm not sure. Probably a taxi job.

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Portland followup: Thanks for the recommendations!; Are there any B&Bs or small hotels that you especially love on Kauai?

The Flight Crew: There are a group of small places along a beach called Poi Pu. I just typed those words into google and some places popped up---hae a look to see if anything matches what you want. If not, ask the tourist board, or a travel agent. Cindy

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Re: St. Petersburg museum admissions: I beg to differ... I was in St. Petersburg in December and the price disparity between tourists and resident Russians is obscene. It's a twentyfold difference. And the tourist prices are NOT cheap. We're talking $10 vs. 50 cents for the Russian Museum. $10 for a museum (that is not heated, btw) ain't cheap in my book. Of course that sort of disparity is common for tourists to St. Petersburg -- metro rides are 6 cents, while a short taxi ride can be more than $15. If I could have passed as Russian to avoid being gouged by the museums, I would have.

The Flight Crew: In such a case, bargaining is more than fair, I'd say.

--Steve

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Seattle, Wash.: Hi Travel Team:

There are some situations where not only is bargaining acceptable, but it is imperative -- in China, for example! I am a Chinese language teacher, and many of my class lessons based on the topic of shopping include units on "how to bargain in Chinese" -- even some more modern textbooks include this sort of vocabulary. So, if you're ever on Xiushui Jie in Beijing or just about any outdoor market catering to the tourist trade, the asking price for t-shirts, Nike shoes and trinkets is at least 2-3 times as much as they could sell it for a still substantial profit. Not to bargain would just mean you're a dumb tourist with a lot of money to throw around. You often can bargain in many shops as well, although not large department stores. Often a merchant may be willing to cut a deal with you if you're buying a lot of things from their shop, but less willing if you're just buying one time. I bargain as well with individual sellers on the street, though I temper my enthusiasm for a cheaper price if the seller looks like they really could use the money -- this is often the case with postcard sellers in China. Rules about bargaining -- never buy something on the first try, experiment with different prices with different merchants (often the same item is available in many different shops in the same area), and if you aren't getting the deal you want, just walk away. Usually the merchant will make a counter-offer if he or she thinks the deal might be lost. I would offer this advice for most places in Asia, save Japan -- the best thing to do is to consult a guidebook country by country to discover the etiquette in each individual culture.

The Flight Crew: Hey Seattle,
I totally agree. Also, keep in mind that at Xiushui Jie they're selling "Nike," not necessarily Nike. My favorite were the windpants I almost picked up with BOTH the Adidas stripes and the Nike swoosh.
-Anne

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Desperate for a Vacation, DC: Any recommendations for something close to D.C. that would be quiet this time of year? Specifically, something spa-ish/good food/outdoor activities for a stressed-out and aches-and-pains mom and dad, indoor/outdoor areas for a 2-year-old to play with reckless abandon, for a weekend, all within a reasonable drive from D.C. Nothing too posh or ritzy, mind you. Mom and dad, and our aching bones, thank you in advance for your advice.

The Flight Crew: How about the Chesapeake Hyatt on Maryland's Eastern Shore? At first it might not sound like a good choice for winter, but the weather's been so mild you might get some good hiking in, if not boating. But even if not, there's a multilevel indoor pool, nice spa, children's rec center, kids' activities and lots of restaurant choices.

You said not too posh or ritzy, but consider the Homestead, too, in the Virginia mountains. It's really a comfortable place, despite its posh rep, and its winter rates are a bargain compared to summer -- check out the packages. They've got good kid programs, and the outdoor options are fabulous: hiking, fishing, horse-riding, etc., and when it gets colder, skiing and snowboarding. www.thehomestead.com. -- KC

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Rockville, Md.: It's okay to bargain when it's expected - in the bazaar in Istanbul, in any of the beachfront shacks in the Dominican Republic, or likely most other islands in that area. If the person selling the wares looks ill, is wearing ratty clothes, etc., I wouldn't try to bargain unless I KNEW that they were charging much more than the item was worth. I never try to get the price down too low; I always initiate a bargain by bringing the price down by a half or a third (depending on what the wares seem to be selling for elsewhere). But if the vendor is insistent that the price is already 'right' I give them a break and purchase it for the selling price. Even though I realize I may have just paid too much, I console myself with the knowledge that maybe that person will have a nicer meal that night, or perhaps their children will get some new clothes or shoes!

The Flight Crew: Just so, Rockville. At a glassfront shop in the capital is one thing. In a bamboo stall on the frontier, another.

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Alexandria, Va.: Hi! Three of us (all in our mid-twenties) would love to visit Greece and Italy for a couple of weeks this summer, but we're having trouble. We can't go in the spring because one of us is a teacher and can't really go flitting off to Europe during the school year, but once she's out of school, airfares will be prohibitively high--between $800 and $900. Should we scale back our plans and go for her spring break--just one week in the cooler weather of April for half that fare, or hang back and hope the Tuscan Sun movie spurs great deals to Italy this summer?

Thanks!

The Flight Crew: Sottili here: Go in the spring - if you go to southern Italy and Greece, the weather will be very nice.

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Washington, DC: Help!;!; I need to pick someone up at BWI at evening rush hour -- you had some alternative driving routes to avoid the Beltway (I'll be coming from Bethesda, and the inner loop is usually horribly backed up in the p.m. rush hour), but I can't find them on the Post website ... can you direct me there?

The Flight Crew: Link to story that we wrote about alternative driving routes is on the way....

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washingtonpost.com: Driving to BWI, (Post, April 7, 2002)

The Flight Crew: Here it is....

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Gaithersburg, Md.: So, um, would we be better off using gypsy cabs at Dulles? I thought the two I used worked OK.

The Flight Crew: Hey, if it's midnight with no Flyers in sight, I'm willing to go off with the guy whispering to me in baggage claim, Gaithersburg. But if the authorized drivers are there, I dutifully climb in.

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Silver Spring, Md.: How feasible and expensive is it to drive from Estonia to Greece or Italy? Where do I begin browsing for car rentals? My sister and I would like to do this in late summer.

The Flight Crew: Begin browsing at www.onetravel.co.uk. But once you identify what seems a good deal in Estonia, make sure you'll be allowed to drive the car on to Greece and Italy. Some rental companies in Western European countries won't let you take their cars to eastern europe, because of theft problems etc. I doubt that it presents a problem going the opposite direction, from East to West and back, but just make sure before putting your money down that you can take the car where you want to take it. Cindy

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FREE AND CHEAP IN NYC!;!;: Cafes and (particularly) greek coffee shops often have good prices. Eat your bigger meals at lunch, get appetizers at dinner. The Rockefeller center has some good street venders for food (look for the longest lines)

Many of the zoos and museums have suggested donations instead of fees. If you can afford the full fee, pay it, otherwise pay what you can.

The parks are always free and so is just window shopping up Fifth Ave to see the Xmas windows.

The Flight Crew: Here you go, San Fran.

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Flying Christmas Day: I'm not sure flights will be less crowded. I flew to Zurich on my way to Athens 2 Christamses ago and the flight was full of Indians and Pakastanis on their way home. Maybe London would be different but there are still a lot of people in the world for whom Christmas is just another day (religiously speaking).

The Flight Crew: Sottili here: Last time I flew on Christmas, plane was pretty empty. But that doesn't mean that you won't get an organized group that will fill the plane.

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Herndon, Va: For the poster from Arlington with the six year old looking for a kid-friendly resort in the Turks & Caicos:

I recently returned from Provo. The Beaches resort on Grace Bay seemed idea for a couple with child (or children). I saw lots of kids (all ages) and they even had a parking area on the beach for strollers! We stayed at the Sands on Grace Bay and there were children at our resort as well. I believe that the Beaches resort has a program for children, which is a plus, since there's not a lot to do off the resorts.

The Flight Crew: Thanks for the info. I agree that it would be good to have a kids program included, since as you say, there isn't a lot of things to do off the resorts, esp. for a child too young for water sports. Cindy

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Washington, DC: Congrats to Cindy on all her awards!;

I would also note that even for Westerners, there is a difference between the package tourist traveling for just two weeks and the solo backpacker going for a year. The latter usually tries to blend herself in the culture and is usually broke, and hence will want to pay the fair local price for an item. The fair local price provides a profit to the seller. However, there are backpackers and package tourists alike who take advantage of the locals and I'm always grateful when it's not a fellow American.

The Flight Crew: Very true, WDC. For the long-termer, a few cents at every transaction really can make the difference.

And thank you for noting Cindy's incredible hat trick with this year's Lowel Thomas travel writing awards--no fewer than THREE winners for my cubicle mate. And she never even broke a sweat (At least, not here in the office). And congratulations to K.C. and John for bagging a silver medal for the Travel section overall. There are many bright stars in our constellation.

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Spitalfields Market: Liverpool Street tube station -- and check out the BBQ stand, run by an American ex-pat, that's the official caterer for the embassy's July 4 shindig!;

The Flight Crew: Ahhh. Thanks.

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Washington, D.C.: We are trying to figure out our next big trip. We have been to Korea, China, and Thailand. We are considering Tibet or Vietnam in 2004. However, we have never been to Europe, S. America, Australia, or Africa. Would you go to Asia again, or hit another continent? If we went somewhere else, we would probably lean toward Europe or Chile/Argentina.

The Flight Crew: Obviously it's your preference, but it would seem as if another continent is in order, as you've done so much Asia. Certainly it's easier and quicker to get to Europe, so maybe you could squeeze in a couple of countries -- or devote yourselves exclusively to one. Or maybe we can whet your interest in South America next week with out special section focusing on that undersung, undervisited continent. Let us know what you decide! -- KC

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Washington, DC: Re: Museums. We are spoiled in DC with Free museums, but $10 to see world class art and culture IS relatively cheap, even by US standards. When was the last time you went to the Metropolitan or The Chicago Art Institute? Or, for that matter, the Phillips or the Corcoran? AND, any extra show costs more.

You say the museums are unheated in Russia - this is in a country where PhD level Nuclear scientists make $150/month. I, for one, would be willing to be gauged to help a musuem maintain its collection, and maybe even pay for heat!;

The Flight Crew: Fair enough, WDC

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Cleveland Park, Washington, D.C.: I know this is probably going to make it in too late, but I think Andrea said her favorite place to go at this time of year is the Rhode Island shore. We are going in a few weeks - what should we not miss? We are staying around Naragansatt and open to all options!

The Flight Crew: It is never too late to answer a Rhode Island question. Providence has some fun city sights, especially in Little Italy and around Brown, and they have oodles of concerts, art exhibits and other cultural gems--plus some totally irreverant shops and movie houses (it is home to the Farrelly Brothers--that says it all). Little Compton is a beautiful historical town; Newport is great for its mansion walk and hoity-toity shops and yachts, and my favorite is Block Island. Check www.visitrhodeisland.com for ideas.

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for Birthday in Vegas: I was in Vegas this February and stayed at the Luxor. It was a good value. Very friendly staff and dealers. For something special, consider a helicopter ride to the Grand Canyon. We did one through Papillion Tours (can't find the price right now but it seemed reasonable for someone on a budget) and loved it. The first trip there were too many clouds to land in the Canyon so we turned around the rim and they rebooked us for the next day. It was a lot of fun and very pretty.

The Flight Crew: Great input. Thanks!

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Washington, DC: Re bargaining. Why are people so averse to being laughed at over a few dollars? It seems rather immature to bargain hard in a situation where the extra $$ means little to you but may represent a significant portion of the seller's income for the day, just so s/he won't laugh at you. Are people really so sensitive and self-conscious? I think if you're going to travel to a country where the culture is completely different, you should be able to laugh off a few laughs at your expense. Just think of how the American culture often makes fun of foreigners (for example, Apu on the Simpsons, people who speak English with accents).

The Flight Crew: It doesn't seem to matter in the long run, WDC. And I've never seen a vendor actually burst into laughing ridicule. (I have seen some big smiles, though).

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Adams Morgan, Washington, D.C.: On a return flight from Tokyo, I have 6 hours in Seattle, starting at 6:30 in the morning on a Friday. Is this enough time to see something (anything) in Seattle? I've never been there, so I'm not sure of logistics of this. I would assume customs & immigration at 6:30 am will not be super crowded, but correct me please if I'm wrong. Thanks!

The Flight Crew: Seattle's downtown is about 40 minutes from the airport. I too would guess you wouldn't have a big problem getting through customs. But I think you'd better decide once you get there--6 hours of free time isn't much when you need to get back to the airport and allow for checking in. So if you aren't ready to roll pretty early, don't risk it. I'd say with the little bit of time you have, and early a.m., head to the fish market, which gets going early, have breakfast, then walk about about a bit before returning to the airport. Cindy

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B&B in Kauai: Hale Aha on the North Shore is where my husband and I stayed a few years ago. It's changed owners since, but is still beautiful. HaleAha.com.

The Flight Crew: Thanks you. Cindy

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Washington, DC: Admission to Angkor Wat is in the neighborhood of $30 or more for foreigners and in the neighborhood of free for locals. I felt that was fine. With everything Cambodia has been through, I felt the price disparity was approriate. On the other hand, I must say I was annoyed that India charges foreigners more for every single public attraction. This is true even if you are a foreigner residing in India. The cost for foreigner to visit the Taj Mahal is around $20. That strikes me as somewhat unfair. Is there a rational distinction here? Probably not but I feel it.

The Flight Crew: It's whatever the market will bear, we guess. Thanks.

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European driving: For the Estonia to Greece drivers: for a sense of driving times, visit the amazing map service at viamichelin.com

The Flight Crew: Thanks so much---you guys are amazing. Your collective knowledge should be catalogued at a website somewhere. Cindy

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Bargaining: I think whether or not you bargain depends on the specific culture, the context and your own comfort level with the practice. On the culture front, I think the acceptance level for bargaining really depends on the country. China, for example, comes to mind as not really a bargaining-friendly country, whereas Thailand stands out in my mind as a place where bargaining is a must (granted it's been several years since I've been to either, so things might have changed). I also think that it's much easier to bargain in an open air market type place than a store with four walls where they take credit cards (not sure why, though). Similarly, much easier to bargain off the beaten path than in a touristy area ("do as the locals do" I guess). On the other hand, I imagine prices are a little more inflated in the touristy areas, so it might be worth your while to bargain the merchant down some. But that is a comfort level issue too. Some people are really outgoing and willing to work a little for what they want, and bargaining comes naturally to them. I'm not, but if it's expected, I'll go back and forth once or twice. Then again, there's always the merchant desperate for a sale - I watched a friend try to walk away from an Ecuadoran shawl, and the more she hedged or tried to put it back, the lower the price dropped - from $40 to $15 or something crazy like that!;

The Flight Crew: Thanks, although China seemed pretty bargain-friendly to us.

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Spain follow up:: Thanks for the link about Europe in winter. Are they any places you would recommend in Spain and Portugal that are especially nice? Is it worth going through a travel agency for trips like these? Thanks again!;!;

The Flight Crew: Sure. As to Portugal--Evora is a beautiful town. Go to washingtonpost.com and click travel and then type in portugal for a story i did last year---it also recommends a small b and b in a beach town. As for Spain---if you only have a week or so, you'd find plenty to do in jsut Portugal in that time frame. I'd not rush through two countries in a week unless there is some compelling reason to do so. Cindy

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The Flight Crew: Whew! thanks for all the great questions and the thoughtful opinions about bargaining. The gym bag goes to Washington, DC., the one who started with "Maybe I'm a softie...", for neatly summarizing a conscientious approach to bargaining. Send you specs to Travel@washpost.com

See you next week, folks. Thanksgiving week!

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