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Marc Fisher
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Marc Fisher: Good day, all. Touch of spring out there. Better to stay inside and huddle close to the computy til the seasons sort themselves out.
The column's offerings this week included today's look inside the decision process at a Washington movie theater that chose to show Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ flick -- right move? Tuesday's column visited the Georgetown mansions of those "regular guys" who would be the Democratic nominee for prexy. And the Sunday edition was an examination of whether Montgomery County taxpayers should be paying the bill for the new Strathmore concert hall on Rockville Pike.
Now, the Yays and Nays of the Day:
This week's Yay is a double kiss, to D.C. Superintendent of Schools (acting) Elfreda Massie for standing up against the mayor and police department. Massie correctly notes that schools are no place for police with guns to be patrolling and arresting kids. Police officers just aren't trained to do that kind of work. And a Yay to legislators in Virginia, who had the courage to announce their opposition to the Bush Administration's No Child Left Behind law, which paralyzes school systems, requiring them to spend vast sums on make-work testing schemes, without the feds ponying up the additional resources they'd promised.
Today's Nay goes to that same Virginia legislature, which, as noted in Rich Leiby's Reliable Source column this AM, took time away from their tax deliberations to condemn Janet Jackson for exposing her mammary on the Super Bowl show -- but this condemnation has drawn howls of protest from at least a couple of black legislators who say it's racist to single out Jackson without also condemning the Britney Spears/Madonna kiss on MTV a while back. Both sides in that argument need a serious rest.
Your views begin here...
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Beautiful Silver Spring, Md.:
I liked your column on "Passion" today except for the ending:
"Will 'Passion' teach hate and vengeance despite its root story of love and forgiveness? Even the most fretful will have to shell out a ten-spot to find out. Round one to Gibson."
What's all this about rounds? Did we suddenly enter the arena for a game of Mortal Ecclesiastical Kombat? I think Gibson wants to convince people he's made a powerful and true film, which is a lot different than waiting in the shadows to deliver an uppercut.
I'm hoping the furor over the movie will die down somewhat after it opens, as people have a chance to judge for themselves rather than simply watching the flames fly in the press. If a dialogue about biblical scholarship and anti-Semitism breaks out in the aftermath of the film's release, we need more of those.
Marc Fisher: That last line was meant to reflect the deep (but somewhat phony and hyped) divisions that have already been created in anticipation of the movie's opening. But I think it's being a bit too kind to Gibson to suggest that he's only interested in making a powerful film -- look at the massive PR machinery surrounding this thing. This is a Hollywood production that seeks, as all such films do, to make a bundle of money. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend that the purpose is solely higher.
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washingtonpost.com: More States Are Fighting 'No Child Left Behind' Law (Post, Feb. 19)
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Arlington, Va.:
"Even the most fretful will have to shell out a ten-spot to find out."
It's not the money leaving my pocket that troubles me; it's the thought that it will end up enriching Mel. Had he arranged for all proceeds to go to a Jewish charity, I'd be there in a heartbeat. Barring that, I'll wait until it's on TV.
Marc Fisher: Hmm -- somehow, I don't think Gibson will take you up on that challenge. Nor is he forwarding his winnings on the flick to his favorite Catholic charity.
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washingtonpost.com: D.C. Schools Chief Opposes Police Plan (Post, Feb. 19)
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Wheaton, Md.:
Hello Marc,
The movie purports to be a conventional reading of the central drama of Christianity, as reported in its sacred texts. I don't understand the controversy. Churchgoers hear the same every week, 52 weeks a year.
Marc Fisher: Do they? I don't know about that. We were chatting about that here in the newsroom the other day, and the churchgoers among us unanimously said that they'd not heard even once in their various churches any teaching that put the blame for Jesus' death on the Jews. If audiences come away from Gibson's film with that impression, that sounds like it is indeed a break with what most Christians hear on Sundays.
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Laurel, Md.:
As a cosmopolitan individual who believes all cultures have something important to teach us, I'm glad to hear that The Passion is not anti-Semitic. But as someone who's studied the Bible, I'd say any representation of the Gospels that ISN'T anti-Semitic has interpreted them wrong.
Marc Fisher: Yikes. Even Gibson says his depiction of the Gospels is anything but anti-Semitic.
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washingtonpost.com: Reliable Source, (Post, Feb. 19)
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College Park, Md.:
Re: Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ
"Birth of a Nation," one of the most racist
propaganda films ever produced is considered a
classic of American cinema. Gibson's "Christ "
may be anti-Semitic, can't say because I haven't
seen it, but if racist films about blacks are praised
and admired why the big deal about this? If film is
art and should stand on its own merits then if it's
good, it should be recognized as such --
independent of message and politics. Like Birth
and Gone With the Wind, for instance.
Marc Fisher: I'm with you there. If it's a well wrought film, I'd want to see it just for that. I've sat the kids down to watch Leni Reifenstahl's brilliant Nazi propaganda flicks, not to turn them into Nazis but so they can see what artistic talent combined with political zealotry can produce, and so they can arm themselves intellectually to handle that delicious conflict.
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Washington, D.C.:
I just had to say that I loved, loved, loved the last sentence of the Kerry column this week. Too funny.
Marc Fisher: Many thanks -- the reference is to the comments of a Georgetown neighbor of Kerry's who said hey, he's a regular guy, he's just one of us when he summers on Nantucket. That'll go over well in the general election. But of course, the Bush campaign is equally vulnerable on that sort of point.
Speaking of which, I offer this scoop: Georgetown sources insist that John Kerry does not pick up after his pooch on his walks in the Volta Park area. Horrors!
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Washington, D.C.:
I see WASA's now telling us to run our water for 10 minutes before we drink it.
That's over an hour of wasted water every week.
Who pays for this -- WASA, or we long-suffering "customers."
Marc Fisher: Surely that's a rhetorical question. I could not help but wonder as I read today's story on the 10-minute water flush just how much extra moola WASA will suck in by telling us to let the water flow for all that time. I for one plan to ignore that 10-minute suggestion and take my chances with the lead.
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Ballston, Va.:
Marc, you must find out more. HOW did Rev. Sharpton manage to spend $3600 a night on lodging while campaigning?
Marc Fisher: The very good reporting I've seen on this in several papers includes the fact that Sharpton prefers to stay at Four Seasons hotels. I happened to see him coming in to the Georgetown Four Seasons one night right before the ill-fated D.C. primary and he was accompanied by all manner of bodyguards and hangers-on, several of them in fur coats.
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washingtonpost.com: D.C. Homes Urged To Flush Taps Longer (Post, Feb. 19)
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Bethesda, Md.:
I agree with your comment last week that it's almost always an unfair comparison to weigh the "need" for an arts center vs. schools, roads, etc. But the real question in the Strathmore Hall money pit is not whether a community should support the arts through taxes or private donations, it's whether the county needs that arts center when lower Montgomery county is close to all the culture that D.C .offers and the upper county has its own new arts center in Germantown, not to mention the new Clarice Smith arts center in College Park. From I've seen of my suburban neighbors, there aren't that many of them clamoring for "culture" to support so many venues.
Marc Fisher: That's a very good and important point -- Is the region in danger of being over-venued? I don't see any conflict between the Strathmore hall and the Black Rock hall in Germantown -- they're two very different sizes and purposes. But there is a direct conflict among Strathmore, the Kennedy Center and the Smith Center at College Park. The three all are about equally convenient to most folks in the D.C./suburban Maryland area. Can they all draw big enough audiences? Already, there's too much overlap in programming among the Smith, Kennedy and George Mason concert halls. But don't forget that this is the most educated, affluent audience in the nation -- there may well be enough support.
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Derwood, Md.:
Call me snobby, but I'm glad I live in a county where my taxes are subsidizing a venue for an orchestra, instead of a professional sports team.
Subsidizing the arts seems reasonable to me -- a musician doesn't become a multimillionaire by learning how to play the violin.
Marc Fisher: Yes, I think it's fair to say that the county's money will go a lot farther at Strathmore than it would have supporting a sports arena. Strathmore includes a very impressive education wing with offices, rehearsal and classroom space for several Montgomery arts groups that have been homeless or lacked sufficient space to meet student demand.
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Silver Spring, Md.:
Hi Mark,
Have a question. Why, in your opinion, do people
prefer Virginia to Maryland? It seems that
everyone who moves to the area wants to live in
NoVa. When you mention you live in Maryland, noses
crinkle in disgust. This preference seems to be
true for singles and marrieds with kids. What's up
with the Maryland hatred?
Marc Fisher: I don't buy the premise of the question, sorry. My impression is quite the opposite -- I hear far more folks talking about how they'd much rather live in the District or Maryland. But it's all a matter of who you hang out with. There are certainly distinct cultures in the three jurisdictions. I know folks who won't live in Virginia because of the state's pro-gun or anti-tax policies and I know people who won't go near Maryland because of its nanny-state laws and I know people who steer clear of the District because they perceive it as a hotbed of crime and corruption. Any of us could successfully attack any and all of those stereotypes, but we all know that each of them also includes some truth.
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Washington, D.C.:
Ten minutes! I have a better idea: get a faucet-mounted water purifier. They are really inexpensive and remove 98 percent of lead.
Marc Fisher: Yes, did you see that the big water purifier companies are suddenly advertising in the paper and on local broadcast outlets? This is a bonanza for them.
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Washington, D.C.:
Am really looking forward to seeing "Passion ..." and drawing my own conclusions. I am a Christian and a central tenant to my belief is that in Christ there is "neither Jew nor Gentile" -- one cannot possibly claim to embrace Christ and be anti-Semitic -- the two are incompatible. Shame on anyone who uses one of the arguably most important events in history as a tool for hate.
Marc Fisher: Glad to hear it. But let's say Gibson does use the film to push a blame-the-Jews line. Do you think that would produce any lashing out against Jews? Hard to imagine that in this country, but much easier to see it when the film shows in other parts of the world.
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Southern Maryland:
Marc, you're exactly right about the supporters and critics who have judged a movie without seeing it.
Still, I can appreciate the ADL's concerns, and not just because of the centuries of Jew-bashing Passion plays. Remember the preview that Gibson held in D.C.? The Post quoted Laura Ingraham as saying the movie would "drive the anti-Christian entertainment elite crazy," which was clearly anti-Semitic code. That type of code is common among the rhetoric from the religious right, which was well represented at the "Passion" preview. It's intended to invoke ugly myths about the supposed Jewish cabals in entertainment and higher education.
Marc Fisher: Right -- there is too much of that sort of code talk. I've been reading a lot on the evangelical web sites that are pushing the Gibson movie and there are way too many references to how this flick is not made by those "clever Hollywood elites," and other such snide anti-Semitic code words.
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Tenleytown, Washington, D.C.:
Marc: Isn't there a big leap between stating that the Jews were responsible for Jesus' death and noting that individuals in the chain of command in the local political structure at the time who happened to be Jewish supported or acquiesced in his death? The way I read the NT, the decision regarding Jesus' death arose from the entire political structure. The fact that the Jews in the political structure were involved does not in my mind equate with the horrendous idea that Jews were responsible and should be continually punished and spat upon as a result.
Marc Fisher: You're certainly right that there were Jews who, in the New Testament telling of the story, argued for Jesus' crucifixion. The theological debate has centered on whether those calls or Pilate's own decision was the key to how events unfolded. I'm no theologian, but from what I've read of late about how Passion plays have evolved in the past 50 years, it seems that many of them have de-emphasized the role of the Jews and put more of the onus on the Romans who actually ran things.
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Arlington, Va.:
I was raised a Southern Baptist and we repeatedly heard that the Jews turned on Jesus, and how he was mocked with the "King of the Jews" on his cross. But maybe it is just me. We were also told dancing is a sin, so there ya go.
Marc Fisher: This all reminds me of the years I spent as a reporter in Germany, always asking young Germans what they'd been taught in school about the Nazis, and always hearing wildly different accounts. Which makes perfect sense, when you think about schooling, because teachers have -- as they should have -- extraordinary leeway to teach as they see fit.
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Mel and the Jews:
The tricky thing when talking about "Jews" is that it is not only a religion but also an ethnic group.
So did the "Jews" kill Jesus. If you're a Christian, you would believe the Jews of the time (or more correctly the religious leaders at the time) at least had a part in it. But to imply the Jews of today (the ethnic group) are responsible is insane.
Of course having a discussion on this point when emotions are running high is difficult at best.
Marc Fisher: Quite true, so we'll take a break and delve into some other topics, and come back to this later in the hour, depending on how your message traffic runs.
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Gaithersburg, Md.:
Marc,
Do you think the life sentences doled out to two members of the MS-13 by a federal judge in Alexandria for killing another young man suspected of being in a rival gang will have the desired effect of sending a "message" to other gang members that their violence will not be tolerated? My guess is that it will have no effect whatsoever in lowering gang activity. These people think they are above the law and/or have no respect for laws. Besides, no one thinks they will be caught, or else they would not commit the crime.
Marc Fisher: I'm with you. Gangs don't care about police or court actions against them. Gangs suffocate if they don't draw in more kids; the only thing that will stop them is if kids see another, better way out of the dead ends that lie ahead of them. And isn't it time that people learn that adolescents consider themselves immortal?
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Washington, D.C.:
Exactly what about the D.C. primary made it "ill-fated"? Also, can we expect you to now report on how much other candidates have spent per night on lodging on the campaign trail, and also what their respective posse's were wearing? Give us a break, please. Rev. Sharpton has conducted himself admirably in the campaign, as far as I can tell, and I don't think it is fair for you to take swipes at him that way.
Marc Fisher: Yes, I included the per-night spending of several of the candidates in that column and you can find the complete listing at www.fundrace.org
And yes, I think it's newsworthy when one candidate spends about ten times as much per night on lodging as the other candidates. Don't you think how someone manages his campaign is a legitimate window onto how he might manage the nation?
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Washington , D.C.:
As someone who is transplanted from a drought stricken area I just can't bring myself to run my taps for 10 minutes. Has WASA given any thought to the environmental impact of the suggestion?
Marc Fisher: Asked and answered.
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washingtonpost.com: FundRace2004
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Palisades:
Marc --
It's always sad to watch a love affair fall apart from close quarters, so it's been heart-rending to watch the decades-long love affair between the Post and the Zoo fall apart in the past year. No longer is the B-section of the paper the Panda section -- it's been reduced to covering the human occupants of the city almost exclusively.
Like a scorned lover, The Post seems to be acting a little churlish in this matter, at least on the Web site. There, every day between the top stories and the print edition stories, right below your column, is the headline, "The National Zoo -- Mistakes Found in Deaths." Even though it's been there since December, almost every morning I catch myself thinking there's a new story (and thinking the Post just won't let it go). Any thoughts why the Post turned on its longtime paramour so harshly?
P.S. Before the breakup, how did the Post decide whether a panda story should go in Metro or Style? Or was it considered best just to play it safe and run it in both?
Marc Fisher: Now, that's an interesting question: Has the quotient of happy cute animal stories declined as the reporting on the Zoo's problems has intensified? I haven't noticed, but I'll take your word for it. If that's indeed the case, you won't hear any whining about that loss from this quarter: If there's one newspaper trope I cannot stomach, it's the happy cute animal story. But alas, I am in the minority in that position; most editors love animal stories, so the bet here is that sooner or later, you will see them infecting our pages once again. And then you'll be pining for the euthanized gazelle stories.
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Georgetown (again):
HEY!
Not picking up after your dog in my 'hood is a -SERIOUS- no-no. I bet it's the most pedestrian-friendly and most heavily trafficked by foot area of town.
We do not take those horrible "squishes" lightly.
(Stephanopolous is in my section, btw -- a sterling dog owner!)
Marc Fisher: Next week on Potomac Confidential: Pooper scooper habits of the rich and powerful.
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Washington, D.C. 20004:
Advertising on the Metro: Certainly Metro needs to look for ways to raise revenue. I don't mind the painted cars or tunnel signs. But PLEASE PLEASE don't install ads that talk or make noise! I like to read on the Metro, and noisy ads will drive me to distraction. Besides, if I'm stopped in a tunnel, inches from one person's face, with someone else's briefcase jammed into my nether regions, I don't need the added irritation of those Quizno's rats singing their horrible song at me.
Marc Fisher: Did you see in the story the other day that Metro is now talking about installing video screens in buses and/or trains? Talk about intrusive. How is it that the same system that prohibits eating and drinking on board would now subject us to blaring commercials? We should at least insist that if they're going to smack us in the face with TV ads, we should be allowed to drip mustard and pizza grease on the all-weather carpeting.
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Washington,, D.C.:
Serge Kovaleski's article on Sursum Corda As Focus Fades, Problems Return To Sursum Corda (Post, Feb. 16) was terrifically reported, but completely depressing. If the D.C. police can't even get out of their cars to stop open-air drug dealing in the one area that's now in the spotlight, what's it like in the rest of the city?
Marc Fisher: All too similar, I'm afraid. Cops who do not get out of their cars is probably the #2 complaint I hear about D.C. police --#1 is failure to take seriously reports of crimes less grave than homicide.
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NE D.C.:
Am I the only person upset that the Mayor's plan to end violence at Ballou is to turn a school into Checkpoint Charlie?
Also, the Mayor seems to keep saying, "I have talked about INSERT PROBLEM HERE over and over" about the problem du jour. But he's the Mayor! If he's just talking about something "over and over" instead of doing something about it, isn't it time for a new mayor?!
Marc Fisher: Excellent point -- you could go through the mayor's speeches and find numerous such references to how he's ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT PROBLEM by talking about it for the past five years. He somehow believes he should get credit for having said over and over that he's the Education Mayor, even though he's done pretty much squat to improve the schools.
Putting officers with guns in the schools is asking for disaster. It's every bit as dumb as putting corrections officers with guns inside cell blocks, and no one would do that.
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Alexandria, Va.:
Wow! I was surprised to see former Guv
Jim "No More Car Tax" Gilmore come out
of his spider hole and talk to us little
people online yesterday. I would have
been even more surprised if he had
assumed even a tiny bit of responsibility
for the state's current budget woes and
hard choices. Guess he didn't want to
surprise me twice in one day...
Marc Fisher: Oh come, come. You knew he wouldn't do that, right?
He's probably salivating over the possibility that he could run for governor again and not have to make any new TV ads -- he could just haul out the old anti-car tax ads and slap them on the air again, assuming that Sen. Chichester and Gov. Warner eventually succeed in freezing the rollback of the car tax.
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Baltimore, Md.:
Marc, on a completely different subject, what do you think will be the result of the recent open access to the Frederick, Md. madam customer lists? Do you think a lot of local prominent men and women will find themselves in hot water (although not from any D.C. water faucets!)
Marc Fisher: David Snyder's last story on the Frederick madam lists seemed by my reading to indicate that there are not prominent names on the lists, or if there are, they have not been released. Also, it's not clear from the lists specifically what acts any of these guys may have paid for.
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Wheaton, Md.:
Derwood should be grateful to live in Derwood. If you live in Wheaton, your kids would be bused to a crowded middle school in Rockville, because the existing one, closed for 15 years was sold by Duncan and his cohorts on the Council, to a private religious group for 20 cents on the dollar. This was because, as Duncan put it in his e-mail to me, "financially unfeasible to renovate this closed school". So now, the taxpayers in Wheaton are supposed to pony up more tax dollars for Strathmore? Subsidize the arts? How about a school in Wheaton -- oh, sorry, you minority people don't actually need your own neighborhood school ? Duncan can go pound salt -- and believe me, my neighbors and I will remind state voters about this when he goes to run for governor.
Marc Fisher: Sounds like you have a good beef, but it should also be said that any county executive has to handle many different priorities. No responsible elected official could or should use all available money for public safety and schools, even if those are govt's most important functions. And while Duncan has had his stumbles, it's also clear that he is hugely popular in most of the county.
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washingtonpost.com: 'Black Book' Not a Page Turner Yet (Post, Feb. 11)
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Silver Spring, Md.:
Chief Ramsey said in his chat D.C. cops are required to spend ONE HOUR outside their patrol cars -- probably that's when they eat lunch.
Marc Fisher: Here's exactly what the chief said:
"All officers are required to spend at least one hour, outside their cruisers, knocking on doors, introducing themselves to residents, and listening to their concerns."
Ok, folks. Anyone who has seen any officer doing that at any time, ever, please shoot us a message right now.
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washingtonpost.com: Fmr. Gov. James Gilmore (Live Online Transcript, Feb. 18)
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Gaithersburg, Md.:
Marc,
You love to pick on my beloved Mo.Co. as being overbearing and governing everything we do. However, judging by the article in this morning's paper
Dog Shelter Becomes Home to Legal Scrap (Post, Feb. 19) about the woman who operates a pit bull rescue operation (current population 24 dogs) the County is taking a hands- off approach to neighbors' complaints about the situation. Refusing to get involved!! Try that in Arlington or Fairfax!
Marc Fisher: The chatter who wrote in earlier about the paucity of happy animal stories in the paper of late will be pleased to read Matt Mosk's tale of animal ugliness in today's Metro section. But don't read it over lunch.
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Arlington, Va.:
MArc, years ago, I saw the movie The Garden of Finzi-Continis, the story of how a wealthy assimilated Jewish family in Ferrara ended up being sent to the concentration camps after Hitler took over Italy and I came out of the theater with the overwhelming urge to kill a gentile. I didn't act on it but I can understand the ability of films to really get the blood boiling. On the other hand, I went with a born-again Christian to see the 1979 film Jesus that his church was giving away free tickets for and the guy walked out of the theater saying of the weak performance by Brian Deacon, "I can't see following this man." So it goes.
Marc Fisher: Yeah, there are certain movies for which all theaters should be required to build a two-block buffer zone with padded walls and calming music so that patrons can ease back into the real world on their way out of the theater.
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Washington, D.C.:
Re: Mel and Passion -- I don't get what the big deal is over the "jews killed Jesus" thing. After all, if you buy into Christian teaching, Jesus WANTED to die; it's the only reason he came to this mortal world. So why in the hell does it matter who killed him? People need to chill out.
Marc Fisher: Somehow, I don't think most Christians are going to buy your theological offering, but thanks for the interpretation. (Buddhism, anyone?)
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Adams Morgan, Washington, D.C.:
What I want to know is how are Stephen Hunter, et. al., going to be able to review this movie without being accused of taking one side over the other ...
As for everyone else, it's a movie people (and one that many of those with a strong opinion about it haven't even seen yet).
Marc Fisher: Hunter's going or gone on book leave for a while, so our other fine critics will have to do that job. My strategy would be to steer clear of the theology and stick to analyzing whether it was such a brilliant idea to make a movie in Aramaic.
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Atlanta, Ga. :
... "the churchgoers among us unanimously said that they'd not heard even once in their various churches any teaching that put the blame for Jesus' death on the Jews." A fair enough assessment, but I must ask have the churchgoers even seen the movie yet, or is judgement being made based on what's being publicized?
Marc Fisher: No, no one's seen the movie except a few handpicked audiences that Gibson selected to spread positive word of mouth. The comments I was quoting were about teachings in the churches in which these folks grew up -- unrelated to the movie.
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Washington, D.C.:
The most important thing about how Al Sharpton "managed" his campaign is that he "managed" to treat the D.C. primary as "real" He showed respect for D.C., and for that reason alone deserves your respect. just because he stayed at expensive hotels does not imply anything negative regarding how he might run the country. And again, what was "ill-fated" about the D.C. primary?
Marc Fisher: Well, let's count the ill-fated aspects of the DC primary:
1) The candidates for the most part bailed out of it.
2) The voters didn't show much interest either.
3) The national press, for whom the primary was staged, resolutely ignored it in the end.
4) The Democratic party reacted as if we here in the District had anthrax poisoning.
5) The Repos boycotted it entirely.
6) We voted for Howard Dean. Isn't that embarrassing enough?
All that said, I still think it was the right move to make. Advocates for voting rights have to use every available means to win attention to our plight.
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WANTED:
Give me a break. Perhaps "WANTED" should actually read the Gospels, paying particular attention to the part where Jesus asks God (praying in the garden the night before) to remove this burden from him if possible.
Marc Fisher: Ok, just one of these answers. Enough on all that.
And, as it turns out, enough on everything, as we are outta time.
More next week, same Bat-Channel, same Bat-Time.
Thanks for coming along. Now get out and take on the day--wait, no, that's Dr. Laura's line, and she is gone goodbye. Write if you get work.
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