John Kelly's Washington Live
Friday, May 18, 2007; 1:00 PM
John Kelly writes five times a week about the joys and annoyances of living in Washington. He aims to show readers the Washington (and Silver Spring, Alexandria, Manassas, Bowie ...) that they know and take them places they don't know. He wants to make them see familiar things in unfamiliar ways and unfamiliar things in familiar ways. ("We may occasionally end up seeing unfamiliar things in unfamiliar ways," John says, "but such are the risks of the job.") His columns take a cockeyed view of the place the rest of the planet knows as the Capital of the Free World but that we all call home. John rides the Metro for fun and once kidnapped an Irishman to see what made him tick.
Fridays at 1 p.m. ET John is online to chat about his columns and mull over anything that's on your mind. A transcript follows.
Cleveland Park, Washington, D.C.: John -
What percentage of your readership do you think understood your "It's a dessert topping and a floor wax" reference from yesterday's column? Was the product "Shimmer"?
John Kelly: I don't know. Let's ask: Besides me and Cleveland Park, how many people know where the expression "It's a dessert topping AND a floor wax" comes from?
It's 1:00pm: Is it Howdy Doody time?
John Kelly: No, it isn't. And I jumped the gun by posting the previous message. Premature post-ulation. Forgive me.
John Kelly: I feel so virtuous. I feel better than you. I'm not part of the problem, I'm part of the solution. I put my money where my mouth is. I exist where the rubber meets the road. Today, I rode my bike to work.
After all, it IS Bike to Work Day.
I left downtown Silver Spring in a caravan with about 15 other cyclists and headed down Colesville Road, then onto Beach Drive and into Rock Creek Park. We tried to stay single file, but even so cars backed up behind us. They must have thought it was "Be Late to Work Day." But as one of the riders pointed out, shouldn't people driving through Rock Creek Park appreciate nature and not want to speed through it? And shouldn't they get that bicycles are gentler on the environment than cars?
About 45 minutes later we arrived at Freedom Plaza, where Mayor Fenty spoke. (People wanted to know where he got his "Taxation Without Representation" bike jersey.) I didn't win any of the raffle prizes.
I decided actually like riding
in traffic, at least on a day like today. The exhaust is nice and warm, and as I rode next to trucks and buses it was like swimming alongside a whale.
Anyone else out there bike to work today?
Alexandria, Va.: John, Happy Friday!!!
Thank you for the column about the ads at Metro Center for the Bodies exhibit. That is by far the worst ad campaign I've seen in the rail system. My alma mater sponsored a fund raising event at a similar exhibit in Philadelphia last summer. I can't believe there is demand for two such exploitive(and similar) exhibits.
John Kelly: There hasn't been much controversy about the exhibit in Washington, at least compared to other cities where the show--and others like it--have toured. I'm pretty open-minded--"Piss Christ"? sure! pornography? bring it on!--and I don't think the show itself should be censored. But the organizers have this high-minded "this is educational" sort of tone, when there's nothing that innovative about the experience beyond the fact that someone figured out how to preserve real bodies without odor. Really good museum exhibits educate in clever ways. This one has lots of wordy wall text and tiny labels you can barely read stuck on the various bones and muscles. And I have a hard time believing we would be okay with it if if were American bodies.
You know what it reminded me of? That scene in "Planet of the Apes" where Charlton Heston sees that his friend has been stuffed and mounted in a museum.
As for the ads, a reader made this point: If a Hollywood studio was advertising a horror movie, and the poster featured a defleshed victim, there's no way Metro would have allowed it.
I was surprised that your "Won't Someone Think of the Children?!" piece skipped the entire controversy between the Bodies(tm) folks and the Bodyworlds(tm) guy. Apparently the latter was the first to come up with the idea and touts the fact that all of his - errr - 'subjects' are volunteers. On the other hand 'Bodies' are a bunch of copycats who use cadavers from dubious sources (executed Chinese 'criminals'). Philly had the original in town last year. DC gets the knock-off...
John Kelly: There's only so much room I have, I'm afraid. It is an interesting story, full of accusations and counter accusations. The New York Times tells it well here.
The Bodies exhibit at Rosslyn: John, I saw this last week and found it quite impressive once I got over my initial reluctance.
I have no medical background and have no interest in a career in that area, so it's not likely I will ever have a chance to see the human body in such detailed close-up.
It is amazing to think that complicated procedures are taking place throughout our bodies every minute of our lives, even when we are not aware of it.
I don't know how someone could see the exhibit and not feel that we are wonderfully made by a higher power. I realize others may disagree with that opinion. I am glad I went.
John Kelly: Glad you got something out of it. When I went there was a group of what I took to be nursing students who were just arriving. They looked excited. We certainly have entered an era where there are few things off limits. It used to be only medical students who could partake of such opportunities. Again, I don't think there shouldn't be this exhibit. I just question using the bodies of people who had no say in the matter. And I can see how the ads might bother some people. (Also, at $26.50, the tickets are kinda steep. Kids 3 and under are free, though.)
Washington, D.C.: John - do you care to predict the outcome of the Nats series this weekend? Please say sweep, please, please, please??? lol...
Have a great weekend!
John Kelly: I think it's going to be split, 2-1, Washington. But you know who the real winners are? The fans.
I feel I should take some small amount of credit for the Nats' current winning ways. My Lovely Wife and I were at the game last Friday that started everything. It was so amazing to see Guzman get hit after hit.
Arlington, Va.: Hi! I can appreciate the fact that you lost your appetite after seeing "Bodies," but I do recommend the sandwiches at Rosslyn Market for some other time...I work in the area and discovered them recently: fresh-baked bread, New York City-quality deli meats, yum...big sandwiches, too. Had to give them a plug; they're bound to keep their businesses open, apparently, because of the exhibition, but haven't been getting as much traffic as they probably would like for the extra work. I'm guessing it's for the same reason you experienced!
John Kelly: Mmmm. My turkey wrap seems suddenly kind of pathetic.
If those restaurants really wanted to capitalize on the Bodies show they could offer barbecued ribs.
John Kelly: Do you think I'm entitled to a chocolate chip cookie for riding my bike to work today, or only if I ride it HOME too?
I did this two years ago--a day even colder and wetter than this one--and I took my bike home on the Metro after 7 p.m. My clothes were just too sodden to put back on.
Fighting Irish: John, the Smithsonian Folklife Festival looks like it's going to be interesting this year. The Irish are going to demonstrate how they make whiskey. It must be a pretty large scale operation.
John Kelly: I hope they have TWO tents, one labeled "Irish Whiskey Making Demonstration" and the other "Irish Whiskey Drinking Demonstration."
The other cultures at this year's festival are Mekong River and "Roots of Virginia." The former proves that the Vietnam War truly is over and the latter that perhaps it's possible to have too much Jamestown.
Bowie, Md.:"He said an officer questioned whether a crime had even taken place. If the church didn't plant the tree to make money, then perhaps it wasn't really theft."
Are you serious?!? A Fairfax County police officer actually said that?
I guess if I get carjacked in Fairfax, perhaps it's not really a crime since I didn't buy my car to make money. Hey, maybe the carjacker did me a favor, since it'll never do anything but depreciate!
And I suppose if my kids are abducted, it's not really kidnapping since I wasn't really planning on selling them...
John Kelly: The officer's point, as I understand it, was that the tree would be sold as lumber. The church didn't plant it as lumber, so they couldn't claim that it had a monetary value. Kinda weird, I agree. I didn't have a chance to call the officer, but the people at the church said they got the impression this wasn't being treated as the crime of the century.
Another case, involving a guy caught red-handed in Potomac Overlook Regional Park, goes to trial in June. I'm hoping I can maybe stop by. What sort of defense will a guy caught cutting down a tree offer?
Alexandria, Va.: How can we get the Nats to replace Screech the Eagle with the 4 Presidents, my favorite being Teddy, the lovable loser who never wins. Maybe Montgomery County could ban him?
John Kelly: You think there's transfat under those feathers? I thought maybe he was just big-boned. Marc Fisher had a nice column about the racing Presidents. I wonder if they have to take a drug test after the race.
Northern Virginia: I noticed in your Captain John Smith video that you pronounced "Powhatan" as pow-HAT-an. If you ride the talking 9A bus, when it gets near Powhatan Street, it pronounces it as pa-WHAT-an. Any idea which is correct? This reminded me of my pre-reading days, when my father and babysitter also pronounced it differently when reading us a story about Powhatan/John Smith. Naturally, we beat up on the babysitter and made her pronounce it "correctly."
John Kelly: I've heard it pronounced "POW-WHA-tin" by people who ought to know what they're doing. I think I was distracted and reverted to the gringo pronunciation. Then again, I sometimes get irritated when people rub my nose in their proper pronunciation. It always used to bug me when lefty gringos would say "NEEK-cuh-rawa" for Nicaragua. Okay, I get it. You support the Contras--I mean "CONE-trus."
Pascagoula, Miss./Silver Spring, Md.: OK, so I'm on assignment on the Mississippi Gulf Coast but the question applies to the streets of Washington as well.
On my way from the airport traveling along I-10 for the last two Mondays I have observed US Border Patrol vehicles sitting along the median/side of the road. What might they be looking for nowhere near a land border. Yes, we are near the Gulf of Mexico, but I though the Coast Guard was in charge of watching water borders. In addition, I have observed uniformed/armed Border Patrol Agents/Officers on the streets of DC. That is probably easier since they are likely on detail to some other agency or desk jockey-types that (still) wear uniforms. Well, I just had to ask since there is not much else to do around here late at night...
John Kelly: I think it was Border Patrol agents who stopped me for questioning at BWI after returning from England. Is there an international airport anywhere near you. Then again, maybe it was ICE--Immigration and Customs Enforcement--who stopped me.
Biketowo,RK: I bike to work nearly every day. I work in Virginia but I don't live there ... I bike in from out of state. I takes about 25 minutes.
John Kelly: What sort of route do you take? Do you feel safe? I've never talked to a bike commuter who didn't have a story about being clipped by a car or colliding with an opened car door. If there was a dedicated bike lane all the way downtown from Silver Spring I think I'd do it more often than every other year.
The Cavemen: I know you're not Lisa, but what do you think about making a tv show with those Cavemen from those insurance commercials? I saw a bit of it and they don't look the same.
John Kelly: I don't see how they can improve on them. The commercials are so perfect, just little 30-second gems. But I'll give the TV show a chance. Maybe they got it right.
In fact, all the Geico ads are pretty good. They do the gecko. And don't they also do the one with real people's stories told by the guy who does the movie preview voice overs, the "In a world where...." guy?
Of course, none of them have made me switch to Geico.
Panda Population: I hope Mei Xiang has a little girl cub this time.
John Kelly: I was at the zoo on Monday but I didn't have time to check her out. My column this Monday explains why I was at the zoo, and it wasn't to see whether any animals were pregnant. Quite the opposite, in fact.
If Mei Xiang does have a female, can you imagine the marketing opportunities? It could rival Hello Kitty.
Laurel, Md.: John, in pictures from the 1963 March on Washington ("I have a Dream"), at the Washington Monument end of the Reflecting Pool there's a fairly significant building apparently flying some flags. It isn't there any more.
Do you know what that was, or should I send this to Answer Man?
John Kelly: I don't know. There were all sorts of things on or near the Mall that aren't there now. In the 19th century there was even a train station, with railroad tracks that cut across the Mall. It was really only after the McMillian Commission report in 1902 that the Mall started to take on its current look. Even then there were various buildings built during World War II, as offices for the war effort. It may have been something related to that. do you have a link to a photo?
Cedar Grove, Md.: John, my good man, you're looking hale and hearty today.
I work with a crowd of smokers, many of whom are obese. Our company provides membership to a health club, but these folks don't take advantage. All that is fine, really. But why am I paying the same amount for health insurance as these people? I have no problem with the way they choose to live their lives, but given that their choices inevitably result in higher health costs, shouldn't their choices be reflected in higher monthly premiums?
I think tiered premiums based on lifestyle choices is the only way we're going to contain spiraling health care costs. If you're an obese smoker disinclined to change, your monthly premium should be $1000. Quit smoking, we'll drop it to $600. Work with a nutritionist, join a gym, and work out regularly yes, they can take attendance your rate drops to $400. Or whatever numbers our fine health care administrators choose to charge.
Here's the thing I work in an industry (wellness, hence my viewpoint) where we try to gain compliance, or buy-in, from others. In this life, you offer either a carrot or a stick. You start with the carrots, but ultimately a stick is involved. With experience, I've learned this carrots don't work, you need to beat people until they look like scrapple in order to get them to comply. The key to containing health care costs is to keep healthy. If you make people pay for unhealthy choices, they'll break those habits in a New York minute.
What say you?
John Kelly: I have nothing against the occasional stick. Other forms of insurance use it: less experienced drivers pay more in auto insurance than experienced drivers. If you've had an accident your premiums go up. But I think the carrot has to be offered too. Obesity might be a "lifestyle" choice for some people--I like eating and I don't mind being huge! But for a lot more I think it's a medical issue. You can't just tell people to get fit or their premiums will go up without also saying, "And here's how we're going to help you, by subsidizing some of the cost of this wellness care or preventative medicine." So I guess we're sort of in agreement, but I just think people might need a little more help.
Bodyworks and education: Maybe this is another shortfall of the "Bodies' exhibit. The one in Philadelphia included quite a lot of physiological/anatomical/medical information. My friend, who is an ER doctor, found it to be pretty informative.
John Kelly: They had some of that at the Rosslyn one, for those inclined to read it. I may have been predisposed to not like it, so I didn't spend too much time perusing the labels. At the end of the exhibit they had a little box you could slip your info into for information on organ donation. The slot was much too small to slip any organs into, however....
March on Washington Photo: See... I'm not dreaming...
John Kelly: Wow, look at that. It certainly resembles various annexes I've seen elsewhere on the Mall, in photos. Kinda ruins the view, doesn't it?
Adams Morgan, Washington, D.C.: There were two "temporary" buildings from WW2 on the Mall, right about across from the Department of the Interior, as I recall, for a long time - finally were torn down in the 1960s. I recall that one of them was "Navy Annex" and have forgotten about the other.
John Kelly: Yeah, that's what it looks like to me. I'd never seen a photo from that angle, only ones from either side of the Mall.
Bestcavemanli, NE: In the therapist's office: "My mother's calling. I'll put it on speaker."
John Kelly: I like the one at the party where one of the Cavemen is in a foul mood and another is trying to talk him down and a third one comes up and says something like, "Hey guys, Gina and I are getting back together." I just find that so funny, that little unexplained subplot. Who knows, maybe the sitcom will work, if we find out who Gina is.
Inthesmokingc, AR: Cedar Grove, you work in the wellness industry, but you work with a crowd of obese smokers?
It's a dessert topping! It's a floor wax!
John Kelly: I tell ya, some of the unhealthiest looking people I've ever seen have been in hospital cafeterias. And these weren't visitors. These were staffers.
Trees:"The officer's point, as I understand it, was that the tree would be sold as lumber. The church didn't plant it as lumber, so they couldn't claim that it had a monetary value."
That's ridiculous. Hasn't the officer ever been to a NURSERY (the plant/tree kind)? Didn't the church--or whoever donated the tree--pay money for it? Or if it was "home-grown," the value would be what a nursery could get for a tree of similar species and size. Depending on the size/type of the tree, it could be quite valuable.
Any other interpretation is like the earlier poster said: theft or destruction of property is only a crime when the property was held for commercial purposes.
John Kelly: I agree, and there must have been other things the treenappers could be charged with, such as trespassing. I think police officers sometimes say things like that in cases they don't have much chance of solving. They never say, "We will go to the ends of the earth to find these perpetrators." It's like when I was mugged about 10 years ago, dragged into an alley at 16th and L around 11 p.m. I was able to grab my wallet and throw it to the ground and the guy let go of me to pick it up and run off. When the cops came one said, "So you GAVE him your wallet?" He also didn't think a crime had been committed.
Alexandria, Va.: Thanks for your story on trafficking in Hot trees. Have the nappers taken any other trees in the region? Sure would like to find 50 rings in ten years.
John Kelly: I heard from a reader who said a similar thing happened to a church in Vienna a while back. And other stories turned up in our clips. What I found so interesting is that so many forestry types consider the paulownia a nuisance, a trash tree. And then there are these rustlers who will cut them down. One guy told me some thieves even have chainsaws with mufflers on them so they don't wake anybody up late at night.
Annapolis, Md.: I saw the Bodies exhibit in Las Vegas last year and absolutely thought it was great. Didn't pay $26.50 though...actually was cheaper. There were ads all over the place for it, so I really do not understand the controversey.
John Kelly: What poses did they have? Was one of the bodies pulling the handle on a slot machine?
Dessert Topping and Floor Wax: It was a Saturday Night Live fake commercial with Dan Aykroyd and Gilda Radner. I think it was called "New Shimmer."
BTW, has your correspondent ever hear of Google? This is the first link a search on "floor wax" and "dessert topping" brings up:
John Kelly: I think what he was saying was he DID know where it came from and wondered who else did.
And yes, you are correct. Now, where does "Get your stinking paws off of me, you damn dirty ape" come from?
It's a floor wax: Wait! You're both right!
John Kelly: And remember the Bass-o-Matic?
Re: It's a dessert topping AND a floor wax: That's gotta be from a fake SNL commercial.
John Kelly: Yup, one of the best.
Dessert Topping/Floor Was: Classic SNL! Dan Akroyd and Laraine Newman, I think.
John Kelly: That's right!
Silver Spring, Md.: Just wondering - did you guys stop at the stop signs during your ride down? I drive through Rock Creek frequently and don't think I've ever seen a biker stop at a stop sign. In fact, if I hadn't slammed on the brakes, I would have been hit by a biker flying through a stop sign.
John Kelly: That's a very good question. No, we didn't stop at all the stop signs. The caravan leader was trying to get us through with a minimum disruption while also keeping us together. But we made sure the cars could see what we were doing. For the record, I stop at stop signs.
Anonymous: The second in the series of Presidential Dollar Coins was released yesterday. When will DC (and the other local governments) get around to retrofitting parking meters to accept them? When a quarter only gets you 15 minutes, that is certainly one of the situations where a dollar coin is extremely useful.
John Kelly: Wouldn't it be better to fit them with technology that would allow you to use your credit card? I don't need one more coin in my pocket. And don't these newish dollar coins suffer from the same problem as the last one, that is: They don't look that different from a quarter?
ok, here we go: To Cedar Grove - well, who's to say that your holier-than-thou attitude doesn't have an ill-effect on your health? While I agree that a case could be made for graduated premiums, it really gets me when people think everyone should pay more than them because they are so "perfect"...
John Kelly: And for better or worse, the way insurance works is by sharing the risk. The argument that we should only pay for what we will potentially cost is like the argument that childless people shouldn't have to pay taxes that build schools. Sorry, educated children, even if they're not your own, are good for society as a whole, as is an insurance system that covers everyone.
Biketowo,RK: I live in DC, bike to Crystal City ... across th 14th Street Bridge. I was clipped once, hit a car door opened in front of me once. Most of the ride is bikeway so it is mostly safe.
John Kelly: There can sometimes seem to be a big ball o' aggravation out there. The cars hate the bikes. The bikes hate the cars. The joggers hate the bikes. And don't even talk about the people with strollers....
Silver Spring, Md.: The new waterfront park is finally underway in Georgetown. I would rather have had a few more restaurants and other amenities along the river. We already have miles of parkland shoreline. Compared to London or Paris our river is way underused. What do you think?
John Kelly: I agree. It's oddly antiseptic in the areas right near the city's monumental core. I don't know what you could put there, though, that wouldn't junk it up. You don't want to ruin the view from Arlington Cemetery with Phillips Seafood-style restaurants or floating nightclubs.
Medical insurance: Should men pay more for medical insurance than women, since they're more likely to have strokes and heart attacks at a younger age? They're also more likely to be injured in athletic pursuits, motorcycle accidents, and bar fights.
Should African-Americans pay more than people of European descent, since they're more likely to have diabetes, sickle-cell, and a couple other diseases requiring long-term medical treatment?
Native Americans have a much higher rate of alcoholism than the rest of the population. While it can be controlled, it might take a lifetime of expensive therapy to do so.
I'm with you: there are certain choices that should influence what the insurance companies get to charge us. But where to draw the line between choices, and stuff we didn't get to choose, and just have to live with?
John Kelly: Actuaries are constantly crunching the numbers to determine risk and the insurance companies are ALWAYS able to figure out how to get their cut. I don't think a few obese people--or even a lot--are affecting their bottom line. But a problem like that has many causes. I mean, just look at today: If there were proper bike lanes into the city, places to park your bike once you got here and showers at your office, more of us could ride, fewer of us would be overweight, there would be less pollution, and less pollution-related illness.
Laurel, Md.: And yes, you are correct. Now, where does "Get your stinking paws off of me, you damn dirty ape" come from?
It's what Kaine told Bloomberg this week.
John Kelly: Bada bing!
damn dirty ape: One of Gov. Arnold's secretaries?
John Kelly: Bada boom!
Springfield, Va.: The Gunston Hall estate (George Mason's home) gets lumber poachers on occasion.
John Kelly: It must take a special kind of person to steal a tree. It's a living thing that's irreplaceable. Have they no shame?
Panda values: Who will see to Tai Shan's moral upbringing? His mom may be pregnant by some high-living San Diego panda. And she scratched Tai's dad (Tian) on the nose, so the two of them have been separated to avoid further mayhem.
John Kelly: Are you saying we're going to be seeing Tai Shan on "Cops" before too long, dressed in a dirty undershirt and tumbling out of the window of a run down garden apartment?
Alexandria, Va.: John,
I think we need to get you an Answer Man superhero uniform. You could make appearances and such. (You could incoporate a doublet into it if you really took a shine to the John Smith one). Maybe have a design contest? Prize is lunch with John/a/k/a ANSWER Man!
John Kelly: Maybe I could wear a costume like this. I've actually seen this guy around town, putt-putting down the street on a scooter and driving a new Beetle, I believe. The problem with Answer Man is he never leaps anything in a single bound. If only it were that easy....
good point: I liked your point about cars hate the bikes, bikes hate the cars, etc. Sure makes a case for us parents to raise our children to be polite and think of others doesn't it? (Since we all seem incapable of doing so ourselves).
John Kelly: The current generation always thinks the NEXT generation is the one that's going to fix things. Of course, we give them lots of things to fix.
And I don't like anyone very much...: EVERYBODY hates the rollerbladers. I wonder who they dislike?
John Kelly: The Belgians. Damn dirty Belgians.
wiredog:"Damn dirty Ape" Heston in Planet of the Apes of course. IIRC, he was in the remake, as an ape, and inverted the line to "damn dirty human".
John Kelly: But of course. I'm thinking that's a movie my daughters have to see. It's kind of a cultural touch stone.
Burbs: John, I just found an recipie for a SPAM Reuben sandwich. It's basically made the same as an original Reuben, but with Spam. I'm going to have to try that out. What type of beer do you suggest?
John Kelly: Very strong beer.
Tastes great...: and look at that shine!
John Kelly: And remember the days of "She got chocolate on my peanut butter!" "He got peanut butter on my chocolate!" It used to be so easy to invent things.
????: That guy hangs around the sculpture garden on Jazz Fridays. He's kinda sorta famous from late-night infomercials on how to score free stuff from the gummint.
John Kelly: YEs, Matthew Lesko. I wonder if all his clothes have question marks on them.
VA Biker: I was out there today, much like any day, but it was nice to have the company!
P.S. When is DC going to put some decent bike lanes on Rock Creek Parkway? That path is completely inadequate for cycling.
John Kelly: Mayor Fenty this morning said they'd added 25 miles of new bike lanes to the District. That's good, but when you think of it, it isn't really that much. But I know his right hand man, Dan Tangherlini, understands the importance of cycling. He was there today, having ridden in with his daughters.
where does "Get your stinking paws off of me, you damn dirty ape" come from? : My date last night...
John Kelly: I told you to trim your nails.
DC: Bikers are idiots. I was at the National Mall this past weekend and my 3 year old almost got trampled as the typically sneaky biker had all the room on the gravel to bike but decide to bike in the general direction of my stationary toddler. If he had hit my toddler, you would have seen me on the news.
John Kelly: Now, now, don't you mean "some" bikers are idiots? Surely that particular idiot is just as idiotic off the bike as he is on.
A song for DC traffic: They're rioting in Africa.
They're starving in Spain.
There's hurricanes in Florida,
And Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering
With unhappy souls.
The French hate the Germans
The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs
South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like anybody very much.
In far away Siberia
They freeze by the score
An avalanche in Switzerland
Just got fifteen more.
But we can be tranquil
And thankful and proud
For man's been endowed
With a mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain
That some lovely day
Someone will set the spark off
And we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa.
There's strife in Iran.
What nature doesn't do to us
Will be done by our fellow man.
John Kelly: A comforting thought for the weekend.
Runningla, TE: Hey, I'm just getting here. Can we start this chat over?
John Kelly: Sorry, no. But you're nice and early for NEXT week's chat.
Thanks for stopping by. If you're in a car this afternoon, watch out for bikes,especially a blue Fisher mountain bike with a horn shaped like a duck's head. Please don't run me off the road.
Enjoy your weekend.
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