Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 5, 2007
12:00 PM
Reliable Source columnists Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts were online Wednesday, Aug. 15, at Noon ET to discuss your favorite gossip, what you think about their recent columns or who you want to see them writing about in future ones.
In today's Reliable Source: Will a dispute between Ritz-Carlton and Sports Club/L.A. leave VIPs schlepping their gym bags out in the street?Also:Clinton Portis's birthday suit, Chuck Norris's butt-kicking business wear; Chris Hitchens's makeover; and a baby for Halle Berry.But it's been three weeks since we last chatted, and there's much, much more to discuss. Like Jenna Bush (finally!) engaged, and Owen Wilson's woes, not to mention the very important lessons we all learned about men's room etiquette, vis a vis Sen. Larry Craig.
A transcript follows.
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Cubeland, Md.: I'm just sitting here tapping my foot...
That means I'm waiting impatiently for your return! Gee whiz, what were you thinking?
Amy Argetsinger: We know, we know -- it was hard for all of us. I felt a twinge on each of those two Wednesdays we were away from you.
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Seattle, the other Washington: You've been sorely missed! Who else am I going to tell about having dinner one table over from Tom Skerrit??
Roxanne Roberts: We missed you, too! Who else would dish about celebrity dining habits? We care. Deeply. Did he say or do anything remotely interesting?
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Thanks, Larry Craig: I don't think I'll ever be able to hear a song described as a "toe-tapper" without thinking of our distinguished senator from Idaho.
Roxanne Roberts: Not sure I want to know what "knee-slapper" might mean.
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Silver Spring, Md.: So what does it mean when celebrities are described as "dating?"
Amy Argetsinger: Same as when non-famous people are described as "dating" -- a whole range of things. It can mean a couple of dinners and showing up to a party together, it can mean a super-committed relationship, it can mean a single encounter or two of the kind you may have been thinking of when you put the word in quotes. You know how the Eskimos have, like, 900 different words for "snow"? It's kind of the opposite of that. Why, who'd you have in mind?
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Washington, D.C.: Yes! You're back! I thought you should know about the things I've done since you've been gone (Kelly Clarkson reference notwithstanding).. 1. Re-labled all the files on my desk. 2. Discovered that vanityfair.com is not a blocked site on my work computer. 3. Saw two women fall off their high heels in two separate crosswalks on the way to my office. 4. Started reading Gene's chat.
Don't ever leave again. That is all.
Roxanne Roberts: I think that's a compliment, but I'm confused about #3: Did you enjoy the women tripping in their high heels, or was it a really slow day? Were they the platform kind that look kind of disco?
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Southern Maryland: Are you surprised at Halle Berry's willingness to reveal her pregnancy so early? Do you think it was it a "let me tell my side of the story first, before anyone else does" kind of thing or was she "yell it off the mountain top" happy about her bundle of joy and wanted to spread the love?
Roxanne Roberts: Sharing the news at three months is pretty typical: Early enough not to show, but past the high risk months for miscarriage. This way she breaks the story instead of the tabloids (I bet she's thrilled: She always said one day she wanted a baby.) Plus, she's going to be a gorgeous mom-to-be.
I'm wondering whether she marries the daddy. I'm guessing no, given her track record with men.
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Baltimore (Bawlmer), Md.: Ladies! You grace us again with your presence! My life (or the portion of it devoted to celebrities) can resume.
On a serious note: There seem to be a few rumors floating around related to Owen Wilson and his apparent suicide attempt. You think there's any credence in them, or is it mostly just people trying to understand an unusual event that has little official word attached to it? (And am I the only one surprised by the rush of sympathy I felt towards an actor I had no strong prior feelings for? We're pulling for you, bud.)
Amy Argetsinger: First, apologies to all my friends whom I have already bored to tears with my ruminations on the Owen Wilson crisis, but please remember that I wrote my doctoral dissertation on the Wilson brothers (link to follow) and Owen used to be on my "list" so I've spent a lot of time thinking about this.
Yes, I think a lot of the rumors are kind of ridiculous, not because they're necessarily untrue but because they play into the ridiculous impulse we all have to try to figure out "why" someone tries to kill themselves -- as if a single event/disappointment explains it all. A lot of the tabs want to blame it on his breakup with Kate Hudson or the circulation of new photos of her making out with her new b-friend; US Weekly offered a riveting if scurrilous explanation that it's all the fault of British actor Steve Coogan leading him into drugs and carousing and generalized deviancy. But let's face it -- people try to kill themselves because they are really really disturbed and unhappy in ways so deep-seated and complex that those of us who have never considered suicide can hardly begin to imagine.
Having said that: Of course we're all fascinated with this story. Owen Wilson's entire shtick has been that he IS the characters he plays, which is to say a guy who is completely comfortable in his own skin and doesn't give a shoot. And of course we don't really know him, but we think we know him, and therefore we're surprised. (As one friend said, it's like finding out that Halle Berry had been cheated on, so what hope do the rest of us have?) But we all know people in our own lives who have seemed so competent and in control but who turn out to be massively troubled. We never worry about the cool kids, but then they sometimes surprise you that way.
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Brangelina Babies: Okay, are they ever going to stop? It's like they are filling their lives with these children to avoid something or replace something. Are they easily bored? Just wanting to experience that joy of a new child over and over again? Raising children is intense periods of joy interspersed with lots of unpleasantness, so I can see that they are trying to relive the good stuff.
Roxanne Roberts: Think about it: How many dirty diapers does Brad ACTUALLY change? Precious few, I bet; that's why they have nannies. Then again, as parents go, Brad and Angie seem pretty serious. They could be SO much worse.
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washingtonpost.com: Chick Flick Boyfriends: Guys Gone Mild ( Post, May 8, 2005)
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Washington, D.C.: In a recent Reliable Source column, Angelina Jolie was referred to as Brad Pitt's "wife." Have I been asleep and missed the wedding announcement, or was this a typo?
Roxanne Roberts: Slip of the keyboard while we were on vacation: It was in Names & Faces, not Source. Most folks here at the Post are not as up-to-date and obsessed with Brangelina as the Source pod.
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Adams-Morgan, Washington, D.C.: What did Larry Craig do that was so wrong? Is it a crime to be a closeted married bisexual guy looking for sex? There are a LOT more of them than you could ever imagine -- just check Craigslist -- I'm not making a pun here!
Amy Argetsinger: Well, lewdness in public is a crime, but this sting operation kind of creeps me out. I mean, can you really get arrested for hand signals? Poor Sen. Craig didn't even get to have sex with that cop!
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Nobody in particular: You have to admire Kanye West's gumption in turning something from Daft Punk into a butt-kicking hip-hop song. But those lyrics are just awful. Is this the same guy who wrote Jesus Walks?
Amy Argetsinger: That's the song with the "you could be my black Kate Moss tonight" lyric, right? I'm working on the assumption that he MEANT for the lyrics to be that bad.
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Sleep Walking Bass Player : Ever hear of this happening?
Supergrass bassist Mick Quinn fell out of a first floor window last week while sleep walking and subsequently broke his back. One fractured and one exploded vertebrae.
The good news is that the surgeon expects him to make a full recovery, though it is expected to take a few months.
Amy Argetsinger: What a coincidence -- it just so happens that in today's Style section you can read a story about a new study that confirms that rock stars are more likely to die young. Link to follow...
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Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C.: Submitting early ... what are they filming over at Eastern Market this week? Anyone famous we should keep an eye out for?
Amy Argetsinger: I do believe that this marks the start of the filming of "Body of Lies," based on the book by our colleague David Ignatius and starring Russell Crowe and Leo Di Caprio, so keep your eyes open. We'll most likely have an item on this in tomorrow's paper.
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We missed you: How could you leave for vacation right when the news of Jenna's engagement came out? I've been waiting two weeks to ask: What scatological epithet did the modest maiden scream for this proposal? It would be hard to top what she announced last year when she mistakenly thought her beloved was asking for her hand.
Roxanne Roberts: I though it was perfect timing: Write about the lovebirds, then leave while they plan their wedding. I'm sure the proposal was romantic (it was at a little inn in upstate Maine) and I bet Jenna was expecting it this time, so no epithets.
Okay, when and where do you think they'll tie the knot?
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Arlington, Va.: Hey Cubeland, are you sure you want to tap your foot, bubba? Who knows what signals you are sending! Ladies, we are institutin' a campaign to make all public restrooms in the D.C. area coed to help our politicians, members of Congress, media types stay out of trouble and resist the temptation to stray and get in trouble. Hope to see you soon in a restroom near the WP!
Amy Argetsinger: Uh, same to you, I guess?
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Fairfax, Va.: Berry does have a bad track record with men, proven. Why did she go and do this with this young guy and announce it and not even be married? Not a good example, if you ask me.
Roxanne Roberts: That assumes the pregnancy was planned. Could have been a surprise, albeit a welcome one. At age 41, she's not going to have many more opportunities to have babies unless she adopts.
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LA Sports: I work at an office close to the Ritz, and our company discount allows us to get a discounted membership to the gym. I was strongly against this perceived "benefit" until you mentioned the slew of local celebs that pass through on occasion. So Rox and Amy, here is my proposal. For a mere $60/month, I will be your own personal gym mole. I'll do some inside reporting, and you can rest easy knowing your affording this recent college grad the ability to work on her fitness.
washingtonpost.com: The Ritz Tells Gym Crowd to Go Take a Power Walk ( Post, Sept. 5)
Amy Argetsinger:"Personal gym mole" -- that sounds gross for some reason.
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washingtonpost.com: Sex, Drugs and Premature Death ( AP, Sept. 5)
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Falls Church, Va.: My sister ate one table over from Gilbert Arenas the other day. They were at Roy's in Baltimore. She said he was dressed casually and seemed to think he was on a first date.
Roxanne Roberts: Perhaps she saw him out with longtime girlfriend Laura, mother of his two children? Hope so.
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Brookl, YN: Amy, how was upstate N.Y.?
I see that Michelle Williams and Heath Ledger have called it quits after three years. They have a baby and a house, and were referred to as each other's fiance(e). This seems very sad. Any idea what happened?
Amy Argetsinger: As jaded as I am by celebrity breakups, I was unaccountably stunned by this one. No insight, alas. What worries me is that the two of them have been so quiet and low-key that the tabs probably haven't invested much time in developing sources on the Heath/Michelle beat. So we may never know.
Upstate NY was great, thanks. I read five books, slept nine hours a night, drank a lot of Riesling, stared down a rabid raccoon, and incurred a potentially career-ending water skiing injury.
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Rock Stars Die Younger: That constitutes news? IS this a particularly slow time of year?
Amy Argetsinger: The fact that someone has actually done a study on this is pretty fantastic, actually.
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Winchester, Va.: What can you tell me about Nationals player Austin Kearns?
Amy Argetsinger: He's 27. His warm-up song is "Louisiana Saturday Night." And we'll put him on our list of people you want to know more about.
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Hitchens?: I just love Chris Hitchens, he's such sassy fun, and a great writer to boot. What's the scoop on the makeover?
Amy Argetsinger: He's got a fairly hilarious story in the forthcoming Vanity Fair (the one with an embarrassingly cheesy cover shot of Nicole Kidman) in which he details his "self-improvement" efforts at the hands of facialists, dieticians, yoga instructors, dentists, etc.
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Springfield, Mass.: RE: Brad Pitt. Two questions. Does anyone actually believe he loses sleep because there are children in his house -- as in -- where is the nanny? More importantly, why do rumors always talk about Shiloh as in whenever you read about Angelina's dad it's always "he hasn't even met Shiloh." Aren't all those children his grandchildren? I have adopted children and find it unbelievably ignorant that anyone would call Shiloh the grandchild and the other kids something else...
Roxanne Roberts: I think even movie stars lose sleep when their kids are cranky or sick, although not as much as those without live-in nannies. As for the adoption question: You're absolutely right that all the kids are his grandchildren. Perhaps Shiloh is mentioned because she's the youngest? I'm not clear if and when he's met the other kids, although I'm guessing he hasn't seen Pax, either.
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Washington, D.C.: Okay, in your earlier response I thought you said "Jenna is expecting." WOW! Now THAT would be a scoop!
This is how rumors get started, folks!
Amy Argetsinger: Absolutely. Be careful out there, folks.
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I know it isn't Tuesday at noon, but...:"Personal gym mole" was a pretty good Googlenope until this chat, in my opinion.
Roxanne Roberts: Ha ha!
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Washington, D.C.: I went to the marine barracks parade about a week or so ago. The dress code seemed to range from the ever-present D.C.-themed screen printed T-shirts, to work wear, to sundresses to suits, to jeans. I happen to think Chuck Norris probably fit right in.
Oh what, you aren't used to seeing the Brawney paper towel man roundhouse kick his way through the streets of D.C.? You've been gone far too long.
Amy Argetsinger: Others who were there said he did kind of stand out on the viewing platform or whatever, mobbed by his uniformed fans. Chuck Norris fits in wherever he goes.
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Falls Church, Va.: Brangelina -- she was on Jon Stewart a while ago and said she'd like to have 10-14 kids. That's, um, a lot.
Senator Craig -- this was said in Liz's chat (I think) and it's worth repeating -- men hit on women anywhere and everywhere every day and they don't get arrested for it. As much as I love the (R) downfall, I feel bad for this guy.
Amy Argetsinger: More thoughts on these topics...
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Minneapolis airport biffies: I went to college in the Twin Cities and we always joked that the best place for a gay hook-up was in a men's room at MSP, and this was 20 years ago so it's had a reputation for a while. Unfortunately, the bathrooms were also where a lot of straight guys who don't like gays went to beat up gay gays. The best place for a gay hook-up, though, was at a bar on Hennepin Avenue downtown called The Gay 90s' -- not a lot of subtlety there, eh?
Amy Argetsinger: You are full of all kinds of interesting information today!
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Washington, D.C.: With the Michael Vick case, many people were quick to come forward and demand that the public be very careful of a rush to judgment. For the most part, sponsors waited to pull the plug on his contracts and Arthur Blank, owner of the Falcons, waited to speak out against him until he officially entered his guilty plea. With Larry Craig however, his guilty plea was entered before the public or his colleagues even KNEW about the incident. So how is it possible for him to even go back and change any course of events? Isn't he dunzo? Shouldn't he be?
Amy Argetsinger: I'm hazy on the legal strategy here, but our paper today called it a "long-shot." It's hard to take back a guilty plea.
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Alexandria, Va.: Forget that she's pregnant - who knew Halle was 41?!?!
Amy Argetsinger: Remarkable, isn't it?
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Brad Pitt Quote: So, I'd like your thoughts on this statement: "One thing sucks. Your face kind of goes. Your body's not quite working the same." -- Brad Pitt on hitting his 40s
He's been spending too much time with George Clooney.
Roxanne Roberts: It's all relative, isn't it? Going from a 10 to a 9 doesn't sound so bad unless you're the former 10, I guess.
Spending too much time with George? You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Is it a crime to be a closeted married bisexual guy looking for sex? : no, although it's dishonest to yourself and your wife.
It is a crime to solicit sex in public restrooms.
Amy Argetsinger: No argument there. Though some people following this story have been surprised to learn that certain seemingly ambiguous hand gestures count as soliciting. Then again, no one was pleading "not guilty" to the charge, were they?
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McLean, Va.: Do you think that Larry Craig would have fared better during this whole mess if there hadn't been 25 years of rumors about his sexuality?
Roxanne Roberts: Arrests have a funny way of exposing two decades of rumors.
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LiLo: I read LiLo failed a drug test at Casa Del Rehab Spa, but then never heard anything else. Just a rumor?
Also, what's the scoop on Mylie Cyrus? Is her head on pretty straight? Or will she soon be newsworthy enough that her name can be shortened to "MyCy"?
Amy Argetsinger: RE: LiLo -- Where'd you read this? I mean, who knows. It's not like people's personal medical records are made public, unless it's part of a court case, so I'm guessing this was one of those sources said things in one of those tabloid reports that are, you know, sometimes right and sometimes wrong.
Miley Cyrus was in town a few months ago -- White House Easter Egg Roll maybe? -- and one of our spies chatted her up in a hotel lobby, said she was sweet as can be, grateful for someone to talk to while the grown-ups were talking about their boring grown-up stuff.
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Rock stars are more likely to die young: We needed a study on this just as badly as we needed the study reported by CNN that it's been found that "men like hot women."
Thank goodness someone is studying this stuff. How else would we have figured it out?
Amy Argetsinger: Exactly.
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More Kids: I don't understand why it is bad or strange for Pitt/Jolie to want more children. They have not yet achieved the weird heights of the 17 child family (the one with all the J-names), and they aren't out blowing their money up their noses or in wild cars, etc. What is there to be negative about?
Amy Argetsinger: Seventeen kids is weird? That's sooo judgemental of you...
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Whitehousebri, DE: Can't Jenna please think of us and have a White House Wedding? It would be so historic. And the Bushes are into that, aren't they? She should invite all of the other White House Brides that are around -- Tricia Nixon, the Johnson girls.
Speaking of which, I noticed at Lady Bird's memorial service that Lucy thanked her close friend Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg for attending. That seemed like a weird pair, but former first families are just one big happy family I guess.
Roxanne Roberts: It would be fun, wouldn't it? Don't get your hopes up: Smart money says Jenna will pick Maine or Texas.
As for former first kids: Who else can really understand what it's like except the other presidential children? I'm not surprised they bond with each other.
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Welcome Back!: Boy, did I miss this chat! What happened to the promised "Names and Faces" chat? Couldn't find it while you were vacationing. BTW -- did you pick up any good gossip on vacation from places other than D.C.?
Amy Argetsinger: Sorry, I'm pretty sure no one promised you a Names and Faces chat... Let's see, good gossip from the southern tier of New York state... Drawing a blank here. I had kind friends frantically texting and calling me last week to make sure I knew about Owen Wilson and Alberto Gonzales and Larry Craig on that fateful Monday last week, since they knew how far off the grid I was.
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Alert!: Rep. Paul Gillmor (R-Ohio) found dead in his apartment per Fox News.
Amy Argetsinger: Yep. The Hill is reporting that sources say it looks like a heart attack. He was 68, had served 10 terms in Congress.
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Jenna's scatological epithet - huh?: What was this about?
Roxanne Roberts: In May 2006, Jenna thought Henry was proposing and blurted out a naughty word. Turns out it was an inside joke.
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Halle Ber, RY: I doubt that the pregnancy was unplanned -- she has said for years that she wants to have a child and her publicist said this morning that she was undergoing fertility treatments earlier this year. Having gone through fertility treatments, I assure you that under the circumstances, no pregnancy is unplanned; in fact, under the circumstances, no sex act is unplanned.
Amy Argetsinger: Haven't seen her publicist confirming that, though In Touch Weekly quotes sources saying that she underwent fertility treatments, and that's good enough for me right now.
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washingtonpost.com: Snyders, Former Nanny Take Each Other to Court ( Post, May 4, 2006)
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Bush Wedding: Yeah, for all of US, we would love to see a White House wedding. That's cause WE don't have to live through it.
I mean, the fantasy is really neat, but the actuality of it? Just think back to one's own wedding and how stressful that was -- how much more so if it's in the White House?
Amy Argetsinger: So true. Read Monica Hesse's story about past White House weddings, link to follow...
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washingtonpost.com: It's No Piece of Cake ( Post, Aug. 18)
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Things you missed: You missed so much while you were away -- like the Princess Diana memorial service. My question about that -- all the quotes were from Harry. Didn't William speak?
Roxanne Roberts: I missed it too----now I have to go back and check. Seems mighty unlikely William didn't talk. More likely Harry had better quotes than his brother.
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re McLean: I think he would have fared better if he was not such a hypocrite. He was one of the authors of the "Do Not Ask, Do Not Tell" fiasco that is forcing many soldiers out of the military. Read the law sometime and you might understand.
Amy Argetsinger: Arguably. The blogger who had been attempting to out Larry Craig for a year or so says that he doesn't have any problem with politicians remaining closeted if they don't espouse anti-gay rhetoric and policies. See the link (I think it's already out) to Jose Vargas's interview with Mike Rogers.
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No one promised you a Names and Faces chat: Right, I think the promise was that a Names and faces column would appear. Not a chat.
Poor disappointed gossip chatters! We've gone so long without.
Roxanne Roberts: Like a cool breeze after a long dry spell---we're back!
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washingtonpost.com: The Most Feared Man on the Hill? ( Post, Sept.)
Amy Argetsinger: here's that Mike Rogers profile I promised.
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Please, no White House wedding: The Bushes should not cap their disastrous stint in the White House with some big, gross, ostentatious wedding. No. No no no.
Roxanne Roberts: You're not the only one who feels that way. Yet another reason I don't think we'll see them wed in D.C.
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Baltimore, Md.: Style question for you ladies: Am I just getting old, or was it unsuitable for President Bush to be walking around in a short sleeved blue sport shirt during his trip to Iraq? Contrast that with Sec Def Robert Gates, who greeted the president on the tarmac while wearing full D.C. big guy uniform -- navy blue suit, white shirt, subdued tie. Thanks.
Amy Argetsinger: I think it's too bad that no one thought to consult with Chuck Norris about what should be the proper business attire in a war zone.
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Amy Argetsinger: Confidential to our celebrity restaurant spotter: Tell us more at reliablesource@washpost.com -- would genuinely love to hear more -- but for now we've got to avoid the insinuations of something we can't confirm.
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Washington, D.C.: Is Kathy Griffin, the comedienne, in town? We were having breakfast to the Four Seasons this morning and a tiny woman that would be a dead ringer for her walked through the lobby when we were leaving.
Amy Argetsinger: She's got a couple appearances at the Kennedy Center coming up week after next, so... maybe? Tell us more at reliablesource@washpost.com...
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Bathroom Sex: Ladies, I need help understanding something, and I think we need national education on it: what counts as gay?
I always thought that gay implied more than sexual activity -- that it defines emotional/romantic attachments. For example, someone who imagines their life partner to be the same gender as themselves. So I didn't immediately assume Sen. Craig was gay, so much as I thought that he had a fetish for risky public sex. The homosexual aspect is part of it, but I had a hazy thought that if we used unisex bathrooms, he might have been unchoosy about his partition partner.
My curiosity about his possible gayness didn't arise until he started to talk about how not gay he was, as if being gay was the gross part, instead of looking to have sex in a public bathroom.
What do you think? Is having gay sex the only thing you need to make you gay? (What about the straight sex? Does that flip you back?) How many times do you have to publicly claim to not be gay, to confirm that you are in fact, gay?
Amy Argetsinger: This is a very thought-provoking and complex question, and it's just so like you chatters to wait until 12:59 p.m. to spring these on us.
Roxanne Roberts: I've always assumed that gender of your partner pretty much defines the issue, but maybe I'm missing something. If it turns out Craig doesn't resign after all, maybe he can enlighten us?
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Wills: According to the news, Prince William read Bible verses at his mother's memorial service. Not such snappy sound-bites, I guess.
Roxanne Roberts: That would explain it.
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Now what?: Larry Craig is thinking about un-resigning? How does that work?
I could make a joke about the guy having difficulty deciding where he stands, but that would be indelicate.
Amy Argetsinger: I think it's probably easier to un-resign than to un-plead guilty.
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Re: More Kids: Plus, Brangelina have the means to support all these kids and have more. With help from whatever nannies they have, I'm sure they also have time to spend together as a family. Most of us wouldn't, but they do. Leave them alone everyone.
Roxanne Roberts: True, and we haven't mentioned Britney's custody woes once this week!
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Leo is here?: OMG...how long will they be filming? Is it an open set? How do I see him without getting arrested?
Amy Argetsinger: Read tomorrow's column -- we hope to deliver the answers there.
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Roxanne Roberts: Feels like school started again! Pencils sharpened, all our friends are back from vacation! Group hug! (Who are you asking to Homecoming? Larry Craig or Halle Berry?) Anyway, send you tips and taps to reliablesource@washpost.com. See you next week.
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