Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, April 23, 2008
12:00 PM
Reliable Source columnists Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts were online Wednesday, April 23, at Noon ET to discuss your favorite gossip, what you think about their recent columns or who you want to see them writing about in future ones.
In today's column: Shakira shakes it up on Capitol Hill. Important billionaires shush each other at black-tie dinner. Chris Rock and his purse-size dog at the Newseum. Jay-Z and B -- really truly married!
In recent columns: We're barely recovered from one media bigwig gala, and now it's time for another -- the C-lister-crammed White House Correspondents Dinner. NEA!: The Musical. Ashlee Simpson-- pregnant? Fannie Mae's Franklin Raines splits from wife, sells his mansion, gets new girlfriend. Will.i.am parties hard, recuperates hard.
A transcript follows.
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Amy Argetsinger: Good morning everyone! Thanks for all the good questions you sent in -- keep them coming. Meanwhile, I'd like to holler out to my brand new nephew, Angus James Argetsinger. I am thrilled to death to have him in this world (15 hours and counting), and I am delighted with the name -- especially since I was sort of afraid they might name him "Tom Sietsema Argetsinger."
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The NYT and Pamela Anderson: Your Monday column said The New York Times had banned their reporter from getting "too close to sources" for the upcoming WH correspondents dinner. Then you said this included celebs like Pam Anderson at after-parties. Have the execs at the NYT seen any pics of Anderson? How would it be possible to get too close?
Amy Argetsinger: Ha ha ha!
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Correspondents Dinner: In your piece (on Monday, I think), you referred to Colin Firth and how the attendees were very C-list. Surely you misspoke! Colin Firth is, as all women know, as A-list as you can get! I mean, he's Mr. Darcy! Please print a correction!
Amy Argetsinger: Colin Firth is one of those people who inspires two separate and distinct reactions:
1. "Ohmygod, Colin Firth, AHHHHHHHHGGGG, I LOVE HIM!!!!"
2. "Who?"
Having said that, I think he'll find a lot of groupies in D.C. this weekend.
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Chris Rock's dog: Was it a newshound? (Sorry, just had to make the obvious joke!)
Amy Argetsinger: Ha ha ha! For the record, it was a tiny little terrier type thing in a pink coat and pink hair bow. Exactly what you expect to see Chris Rock with, huh?
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Angus: Welcome, young man. Your sister-in-law must be Scottish?
Amy Argetsinger: Not especially Scottish, that I know of. I think they just dug the name.
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Headlines: So who writes your headlines? They're quite funny and always crack me up. Let's give some love to your anonymous copy desker.
Amy Argetsinger: That would be our extremely witty copy editors. It's always a joy for me to pick up the paper in the morning and see the headlines and captions they come up with. Any headline in particular that you liked?
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Washington, D.C.: You guys thought Gilbert Arenas was devoted to Laura Govan? Please read Steinberg's quotes from Gilbert.
"Arenas on females
I ain't even gonna lie, I know how girls feel when guys grab on them and stuff. Because the girls... Woo! Woo! They over me like flies in D.C.! I have this thing where if you don't go out as much, people want you more. You're a hot commodity. I go to the club, once a month, three times a year, and I'm like a wildfire in there! I like to just to go sometimes to put my face out there and show people I'm still here.... If I see a celebrity women I'm going at them. Halle Berry where you at? I'm next."
Note also that he doesn't write his own blog. He has hired someone and just dials in the information he wants posted.
Amy Argetsinger: However he does it (and yes, I do believe he dictates it), the result is the best blog in Washington. Thanks for excerpt, which is classic Gilbert. I don't think it shows any particular disrespect towards Laura, and regular readers of our column know that that is a tumultuous on-and-off-again relationship.
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Mr. Darcy: I have a different reaction. I'm always like "who?" when someone mentions Colin Firth. When they remind me he's "Mr. Darcy" I'm all like "I love him!" There's too many Colins to keep track of these days.
Amy Argetsinger: For the record: Colin Firth is not Colin Farrell. He is also not Colin Quinn.
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Washington, D.C.: As a reliable source for Reliable Source, you really got that Atlantic Council dinner wrong, yes, people were stupefied by what Murdoch said but Blair said "as long as it takes" about Iraq and "equal justice for Palestinians." Maybe someone didn't understand the accent, he also told old stories about his mother in law and the president of Spain settling Gibraltar and misspeaking French so it appeared he wanted PM Chirac in several different positions.
Roxanne Roberts: Blame me and the folks around me, but Blair's remarks didn't draw the raised eyebrows that Murdoch's did. Blair has been saying variations of that speech for years, with tweaks here and there. Murdoch, on the other hand, threw a fair amount of bombs into the crowd---especially to the Europeans in da house.
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I think they just dug the name. : Maybe they're huge AC/DC fans.
Amy Argetsinger: Or, like me, fans of Washington Post sailing/fishing/hunting/sporting writer Angus Phillips.
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Chris Rock carrying a tiny dog ... a teensy terrier-type creature wearing a little pink coat and pink hair bow: Oh my goodness! The tiny dog as personal accessory trend has gone way too far when this is happening with none other than Chris Rock! I hope someone got a good photo.
Roxanne Roberts: Please, God, please. I'm guessing the dog is his wife's or the girls, and Chris has to be a good husband/dad----but it would be hilarious to see him toting a Tinkerbelle-type little piece of fluff. Arf! Arf!
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Springfield, Va.: Last week I met Tim Gunn at the Amtrak Station in D.C.! He was dressed to the nines and quite possibly the nicest person I've met! Wooo my first celebrity sighting!
Roxanne Roberts: He's a doll. Are you a changed person? Dressing better? Did he give you any tips?
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Falls Church, Va.: A few weeks ago, someone from Chevy Chase asked you guys how they can get famous in this town since he's only semi-famous. Does Carol Joynt or Katharine Weymouth drive a Jaguar so that this dude can climb on top and ride through downtown? Reference Marlena Cooke's Jaguar riding boy toy.
Amy Argetsinger: I don't think either of them do drive a Jag -- does it have to be a Jag? Our hot new publisher Ms. Weymouth has three kids, so she might just have a minivan.
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Headlines: Today's in particular was quite funny (it prompted to ask the question), and the one about Mitt Packing a Punch Line sticks in my memory.
Roxanne Roberts: All hail the copy editors, who perform this miracle on a daily (actually, nightly) basis.
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Chevy Chase Adjacent (Wheaton): Hello, ladies! I don't know if this qualifies, but I stopped at the Brookville Market in Chevy Chase Sec 3, and I think I saw Howard Kurtz. At least I think it was him. In the same spot about 6 months ago, I thought I saw Chris Hanson, of To Catch a Predator fame. Is this market the new hangout for media celebrities? I do love the Boar's Head meats they have at the deli, and now they're serving sushi.
Can a George Clooney sighting be far behind?
Amy Argetsinger: I hesitate to put this out here for fear of all the Howie Kurtz and Chris Hanson stalkers flooding the Brookville Market and making spectacles of themselves. Please try to behave yourselves people.
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Dogs at the Newseum: Can anyone bring their dog? Or does it have to be very small and wearing pink? Or do you just have to be Chris Rock?
Roxanne Roberts: I think you have to be Chris Rock. Or George Clooney. And promise that your pooch is museum-broken.
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WHCD: So, what are you wearing? Who are you going with? What will you eat and drink? And will you try out any of the "conversation lines" provided in that chat from months ago?
Amy Argetsinger: What am I wearing? It's a surprise, silly. We are going with a table of other Washington Post people, no celebrity guests for us. I will eat what is put in front of me, and try to stick to one form of booze.
That is an excellent idea about the "conversation lines." Remind me, what did we come up with? I've been sort of stressed trying to think about what to talk about with the various VIPs, be they media or political superstars or our beloved Hollywood B-listers. I feel like I need to some up with something smarter than "Ohmygod, I LOVED you on 'Washington Week In Review'/'Baywatch'!!!"
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Kensington, Md.: Pimp my NATO. Teehee!
Amy Argetsinger:[giggles]
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Eli Manning wedding: Saw the photos, which say she is 24 and he is 27. Looks like it's really the other way around!
washingtonpost.com: Eli Manning and Abby McGrew ( New York Post, April 23)
Roxanne Roberts: He's got that boyish look going, and she's already perfected the blonde-tan-NFL wife thing. Maybe she looks younger without makeup and wearing a ponytail. Let's remind her that this is a good time to start wearing sunscreen.
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Herndon, Va.: Can you call your new publisher "hot"? Isn't that some kind of workplace no-no?
Amy Argetsinger: I think it's just that she's not allowed to call *me* hot, and so far as I know, this has not been a problem.
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Rock songs about kids: In honor of Angus, what are some great rock and roll songs that performers have recorded about their children? I can think of Hey Jude, and Show Me by The Pretenders. Clapton's Tears in Heaven and Led Zeppelin's All of My Love are also gorgeous songs about children, but for all the wrong reasons. Anything else come to mind?
Amy Argetsinger: Uh, how about "Arms Wide Open" by Creed? Oh, you said "great" rock and roll songs -- never mind. Any others?
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Alexandria, Va.: You have ruined Cantler's for me forever. Nicole Richie and Bill Belichick? Ugh.
Roxanne Roberts: Don't blame Cantler's. Besides, the Madden clan hails from the area, and therefore have the right to drop by the local crab joint. Now Belichick is another matter entirely.....
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Happy Birthday, Will: Today is William Shakespeare's birthday and the Folger Library is serving cake this afternoon. Which made me wonder whatever happened to Kenneth Branaugh, one of the few modern actors to put on some great Shakespearean performances?
Amy Argetsinger: Branagh has been quiet lately, hasn't he?
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Maroon and Blue: I knew it! I knew you were a fellow Senecan, Amy! I always thought so from your name (is it your dad who is so well known where we are from?) but then I hear about Angus's birth from my mom and reading it here double confirmed it...
Wow, how the heck did you go from where we're from to The Post? You sure didn't have the same English teachers I did!!
Amy Argetsinger: You heard about Angus's birth from your mom, and yet you didn't know that I'm one of *those* Argetsingers? Weird. I have the feeling we know each other or are supposed to. E-mail me at reliablesource@washpost.com.
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Washington, D.C.: I'll like this Saturday's White House Correspondents Association dinner. You will know who is single or who is not!
Amy Argetsinger: Oh, you never really know.
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Kensington, Md.: Sorry I'm late, had a wasp to dispatch. After reading today's column, it made me revisit a thought I had about Tony Snow when I read about his upcoming CNN gig, and that thought was "Is he up to it?" Any word on what caused him to take ill?
Amy Argetsinger: Just -- one of those things, from what I understand. Not related to his cancer, which they're always monitoring and which largely seems to be under control.
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Arms Wide Open: I like that song. I just don't like that the singer is a crappy dad.
Amy Argetsinger: My favorite thing about Scott Stapp is how he tried to get into a fight with the band 311 in Baltimore a couple years ago, and he did this by walking up to them and saying "311, I am ready to fight you." I swear I'm not making this up.
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If I see a celebrity women I'm going at them.: I'm sure the celebrity women love this, "going at them" so to speak. When guys "go at me" I tend to run.
Roxanne Roberts: I think that part of the job is looking hot and then have guys give it a go. That's why they have bodyguards.
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Songs about kids: Best one ever: Isn't She Lovely, by Stevie Wonder.
Roxanne Roberts: Very sweet.
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Washington, D.C.: Congrats on the new nephew with a fabbo name. I have about a dozen nephews and none have such a cool moniker.
I don't have anything to report, nor do I have a question to ask, except to wonder why Ashlee Simpson is still around. Is she actually talented? I'm old (40) so I've missed the appeal. Maybe I need to ask all my nephews.
Also, I've met Tom Sietsema and I will second the observation that he is a very handsome man. He's also very charming and polite.
Amy Argetsinger: Thank you, thank you.... On the question of Ashlee Simpson, please check out Allison Stewart's review of her new album, which very smartly sums up everything you need to know to understand Ashlee Simpson. It's a very short article.
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Da Pope: Any good sighting stories? Or impromptu meet and greet opporutnities? Visits to the local gelato shop? Guess since he's not running for anything, he doesn't have to get out among the public.
Roxanne Roberts: Have to say I was a little bummed by the fact he never made an unscheduled stop---which would have been really fun. It's possible the security was more intense than we knew, and he wasn't allowed to hang with his peeps. Not even kitties. Sigh.
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washingtonpost.com: Ashlee's 'World': Overpopulated And Empty ( Post, April 22)
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Ahhh... the 80's: You can always greet your new nephew by asking "Where's the beef?"
Amy Argetsinger: Ha ha ha! On the nickname issue... I'm grateful that my nephew has a potential nickname straight out of "The Wire" -- Gus. (My two-year-old niece is nicknamed Weebay, as I'm sure all you "Wire" fans will appreciate.)
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Washington, D.C.: Call me a sentimentalist, but I always did like that Rod Stewart song "Forever Young" about a father singing to his son -- sort of a Celtic percussion line.
Amy Argetsinger: Note to self: Ask brother and sister-in-law if they considered naming the baby "Rod."
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Falls Church, Va.: Angus James Argetsinger
Was either parent eating steak when contractions hit?
Amy Argetsinger: It's worth noting that he is a Taurus...
Meanwhile, I just discovered one downside to the name -- text-recognizing software doens't recognize it, at least not on my cellphone. It comes up with "Bogus" instead.
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Silver Spring, Md.: Hi Ladies: Any word on where the Caps drowned their sorrows last night?
Amy Argetsinger: Hmmm, I don't know -- did anyone see them?
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Chevy Chase: When visitors to D.C. see the name Chevy Chase they're always perplexed as to why there is a town with the same name as an actor. Can you explain how this came to be?
Roxanne Roberts: Chevy Chase (the place) predates the comedian, who was born in 1943. According to Wiki (and I ALWAYS tell my son to check the primary sources:
"Chevy Chase was unincorporated farmland in the years before 1890, during which time Senator Francis G. Newlands of Nevada and his partners began the aggressive acquisition of land in northwestern Washington, D.C. and southern Montgomery County, Maryland, for the purpose of developing a residential streetcar suburb for Washington, DC. The Chevy Chase Land Company was founded in 1890, and its eventual holdings of more than 1,700 acres would extend along the present-day Connecticut Avenue from Florida Avenue north to Jones Bridge Road.
The name "Chevy Chase" was taken from one of the absorbed plots of land. Its name in turn, according to the Village of Chevy Chase's official history, can be traced to the larger tract of land called "Cheivy Chace" that was patented to Colonel Joseph Belt from Lord Baltimore on July 10, 1725. It has historic associations to a 1388 battle between Lord Percy of England and Earl Douglas of Scotland. At issue in this "chevauchee" (a French word describing a border raid) were hunting grounds or a "chace" in the Cheviot Hills of Northumberland and Otterburn."
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Rock songs about kids: I've always like Silent Lucidity by Queensryche. Of course, I'll probably find out I totally misunderstood the song's meaning.
Amy Argetsinger: Wikipedia says the song is about lucid dreaming. Thanks, Wikipedia!
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Ashlee: I've heard worse singers. I'd say she has a unique voice, maybe it's those computers producers use.
Amy Argetsinger: I thought Stewart's review nailed the Jessica Simpson quandary, describing her "lovely and badly used voice." Pithier than my description, which was that she's a terrible singer with a fantastic voice.
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WHCA dinner: At first I had the mind's image of folks furiously scribbling on their notepads about some interesting item. Then I wondered where women reporters stashed their notepads and pens. Then I figured everyone was pecking on their PDAs or taking photos with their cell phones. Are there any remnants of old-time journalism at this event?
Amy Argetsinger: Actually, the vast majority of the 2,500-some folks at the WHCD are just there to have a good time. It's only a tiny handful of guests (this year for the Post: me, Rox, and Jose Vargas) who have to turn around and write about it on deadline. We end up having to flee the Hilton ballroom (which is this cavernous 60s-modern underground bunker, kind of like a Bond villain's lair, but with bad cell reception) to file.
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Angus: The key thing is to encourage Angus to grow up left-handed. Anyone who can lob the ball over the plate left-handed is worth 3.2 million a year.
Amy Argetsinger: That is the key thing.
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15th and L, NW Washington, D.C.: Validation! No one believed me when I told the story about Scott "ready to fight" Stapp. It didn't help that I couldn't tell the story with a straight face.
Who won the fight?
Amy Argetsinger: I think 311 won by default. Their lead singer fractured a knuckle, but Stapp was the one who ended up looking kind of silly.
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Dating myself: James Taylor wrote/recorded "Sarah Maria" for his daughter many years ago. I forget which album it was on, but it's a nice little song.
Amy Argetsinger: Okay, thanks.
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She's a terrible singer with a fantastic voice. : She'd fit right in on Idol.
Amy Argetsinger: Totally.
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Bob Dyl,AN: Wrote Forever Young. Did he write it for Jakob (Wallflowers)?
Amy Argetsinger: Let's see, that was on the Planet Waves album in 1974; Jakob, the youngest of his first batch of kids, would have been about 4 then, so maybe.
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All I can think of are sad songs written by fathers about their children: Cats in the Cradle (Harry Chapin)
The Man I Used To Be (Jellyfish)
Songs about regrets.
Amy Argetsinger: Everyone has a lot of thoughts on this topic.
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Chevy Chase: Chevy Chase is a pseudonym picked by Chevy Chase from the town name. His real name is Cornelius Crane Chase.
Roxanne Roberts: Jeesh. I'd change my name, too. "Cornelius Crane?" He's named after his grandfather.
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Silver Spring, Md.: It's probably just me...but Eli's swim trunks look like something from the "zoomba pants line" of the '80s...and paired with the red shirt...
Roxanne Roberts: Now, now. Hope his bride likes them.
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John Lenn, ON: Beautiful Boy, for his son Sean.
Roxanne Roberts: Check.
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Chantilly, Va.: For my senior prom (way back in the 80's) our theme was "forever young." Of course, the song was supposed to be "Forever Young" by Alphaville, but the band mistakenly played the Rod Stewart song by the same name. Goodness, did those sweet Catholic girls throw a fit! The Rod Stewart version has never been the same for me.
Amy Argetsinger: Ha! That's kind of like when the George Mason basketball team came home from the Final Four a couple years ago, and the student-activities folks played the wrong "Kryptonite" song -- the five-year-old grunge-lite one, not the rap one that was popular at the time.
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Lefty: The key thing is to encourage Angus to grow up left-handed.
Anyone who can lob the ball over the plate left-handed is worth 3.2 million a year.
He's exactly right. I tried this with my young son, but it didn't work. He insisted on not using his left hand to throw, though he didn't seem to mind having his right hand tied behind his back.
Amy Argetsinger: It's always so hard to explain to Child Protective Services that your kid really didn't mind having his right hand tied behind his back.
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Saddest rock song about a kid...: Tears in Heaven, Eric Clapton
Always makes me tear up a little if I think about it too much...
Amy Argetsinger: Yeah, sad stuff, isn't it?
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WHCD: When fleeing the ballroom did either of you leave a lovely, fragile slipper behind on the stairs for a passing Prince (or maybe Mr. Darcy) to find?
Roxanne Roberts: Hah. We're were too busy getting the goods on the Karl Rove-Laurie David smack down. Maybe this year?
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Song misattribution: Um, Forever Young was covered by Rod Stewart. Far, far better version is Bob Dylan.
Amy Argetsinger: Actually, they're two different songs -- though similar enough that lawyers got involved.
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Falls Church, Va.: Didn't Celine Dion have a great song dedicated to her son?
Roxanne Roberts: Must have. Don't you think every big singer writes/records a song especially for their kid? I would if I could sing a lick. Instead, I make cookies.
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"conversation lines": to use at events...I submitted last time, "I find I meet the most interesting people at these events...." Then you can ask them something about themselves or talk about someone you've met before, or they talk about someone they met somewhere....
Amy Argetsinger:"Ask them something about themselves" -- yeah, but the trick is coming up with WHAT to ask them about themselves.
I have found, though, that "Don't you just find this all so insufferable?" kind of kills the mood.
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Baby gift suggestion: For little Angus Shirts for Squirts
Amy Argetsinger: Wow... this is what happens when hipsters start having babies, huh?
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Kenneth Branaugh: He did do a role in the 2nd Harry Potter film as Dark's Arts teacher Gilderoy Lockhart -- not exactly the Bard, but British, none the less.
Roxanne Roberts: That's right---and he was pretty good at it. Maybe he's acting once in a while, living off his fortunes in a sane, not crazy way? (FYI: He's filming a BBC series based on Henning Mankell's best-selling Wallander crime novels.)
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Tying a child's hand: I read that former VP Nelson Rockefeller was naturally left-handed, but his father wanted him to be a right-hander, so tied a string to his left hand at meals and would tug on it whenever young Nelson tried to eat with his left. Not surprisingly, Nelson grew up dyslexic, though he overcame it by studying extra hard in school.
Amy Argetsinger: Who knows if this is true, though it certainly sounds like the kind of story you hear about insanely rich people at the turn of the century.... Truly, it seems one of the great things about having children is the potential for all kinds of excellent cognitive-development experiments you can perform on them.
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Breaking news: Star Jones files for divorce. Who saw that one coming?
Amy Argetsinger: I'm shocked, shocked! Just thought she and Al were so solid, you now?
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Re: Chevy Chase (the person): and Wikipedia says (and sorry about the length, I couldn't stop)...
"Chase was born Cornelius Crane Chase in Lower Manhattan, New York City. His father, Edward Tinsley ("Ned") Chase, was a prominent Manhattan book editor and magazine writer. His mother, Cathalene Parker (nee Browning), a concert pianist and librettist, was the daughter of Miles Browning, who served a critical role at the Battle of Midway in World War II; she was adopted as a child by Cornelius Vanderbilt Crane, and took the name Cathalene Crane. Chase's maternal grandmother was an opera singer who performed several times at Carnegie Hall. Chase is a 14th-generation New Yorker, and was listed in the Social Register at an early age. His mother's ancestors arrived in Manhattan starting in 1624."
Roxanne Roberts: Just think: He could have been Cornie Chase.
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Songs: One from son to father is Old Man by Neil Young. Fabulous song.
Amy Argetsinger: This is beginning to feel like a Josh du Lac chat. 'Scuse me that's J. Freedom to you people. (Note to self: Ask brother and sister-in-law if they considered "Freedom.")
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Not to dis' Tom Shales: But I thought Laura Bush did pretty well on The Today Show yesterday. Tom was right that Jenna was better -- she clearly has a future.
washingtonpost.com: On 'Today,' Laura Bush Hits a Gusher ( Post, April 22)
Roxanne Roberts: I agree--she was really relaxed. But then, she's ALWAYS relaxed.
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Conversation lines: Someone I once knew who had an incredible knack of meeting famous people who helped advance her career told me that you should ask famous people about their kids (provided you know that they have some.) Everyone likes to talk about their kids, and it saves the embarrassment of accidentally talking about career events that they would sooner forget.
Roxanne Roberts: I think that's true.
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Washington, D.C.: My prom theme was Forever Young, too, except is WAS the Rod Stewart version, not the Alphaville one. Which made me and my misunderstood friends all the more determined to hang out outside and smoke, while listening the The Smiths.
No joke. We're all functioning adults now, though.
Amy Argetsinger: The Smiths -- now THERE's some good prom music.
A friend once dated a guy who was also kinda sorta seriously dating a girl who was doing aid work in Africa -- and for weeks I had "Girlfriend in the Congo, I know, I know, it's serious..." (Get it? "Girlfriend in a Coma"? Good times.)
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Chevy Chase: For the original Chevy Chase poster. Seriously, could you be more not from this area. This is not Truth or Consequences, N.M. this is Washington, D.C. We do not name towns or things after actors, they name themselves after us. Of course, I'm ignoring all the rapid Ronald Reagan fans who in the past have tried to name everything in D.C. after Reagan because they too are typically out of towners (aka Congressmen)
Roxanne Roberts: Oh, snap!
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Kenneth Branagh: is in a future Tom Cruise movie about the Nazis, something about Valkyries. There is a picture of the major players in today's NY Times arts section.
washingtonpost.com: The Nazi Plot That's Haunting Tom Cruise and United Artists ( The New York Times, April 23)
Amy Argetsinger: Looking forward to it. I love a good Hitler movie. "Downfall" just arrived from Netflix.
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Album: K-Tel should put together an album of rock songs about kids.
Roxanne Roberts: I'm sure there are a dozen rock baby CD's----now we know what to buy for the next baby shower. Meanwhile, we've got a column to put out, so send all those celeb sightings this weekend to reliablesource@washpost.com, and we'll rehash the Correspondents dinner next week.
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