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Tuesday, January 13, 2009; 1:00 PM
Washington Post staff writer Paul Farhi was online Tuesday, Jan. 13 at 1 p.m. ET to talk about the latest news and personalities from the pop culture world.
Today: "24" returns, raising some very important questions about Washington. Such as, when did National Airport get palm trees? Since when do Senate hearings start at 8:05 a.m.? And is there really a gigantic flat screen TV in the Oval Office? Discuss...
A transcript follows.
Farhi is a reporter in The Post's Style section, writing about media and popular culture. He's been watching TV and listening to the radio since "The Monkees" were in first run and Adam West was a star. Born in Brooklyn and raised in Los Angeles, Farhi had brief stints in the movie business (as an usher at the Picwood Theater), and in the auto industry (rental car lot guy) before devoting himself full-time to word processing. His car has 15 radio pre-sets and his cable system has 500 channels. He vows to use all of them for good instead of evil.
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Paul Farhi: Greetings all, and welcome back 'round...So, good to have Jack back on "24," no? Same great plot complications, and same old Cheney-esque take on counter-terrorism. That whole let's-reconsider-torture didn't last long, did it? Jack got Freckles, the new FBI agent, into the spirit of the thing pretty quickly. Oh, well, what's "24" without some kind of eye-gouging, bone-snapping, electrode-implanting "action" sequence, anyway?
And, meanwhile, must share something my buddy Mark points out from yesterday's final presidential press conference (the real kind, not the "24" kind) on local TV. Mark was watching the press conference on WJLA, channel 7, and reports the following sequence of events:
9:28 am: Great moments in local TV: I was just watching CNBC when the Bush press conference came on, and looking for an alternative, alighted on Regis and Kelly. Two minutes later, without any warning, WJLA cut into
the Bush press conference. I figured resistance was futile, and left it on. Whereupon, about 20 minutes later, again without any warning, the station cut back to Regis and Kelly! Bush was still yammering on. Guess somebody at Channel 7 got bored with it.
9:30 am: And three minutes later, JLA just went back to Bush! Hilarious. Now I'm riveted.
9:34: Three minutes later, a five-second cut to Regis and Kelly--and then back to the Prez. One can imagine a fierce struggle in the WJLA control room for control of the network-feed button.
9:53: Just got an "ABC Trigger Test Loop" blip, featuring--I think--a shot of the Rockefeller Center Xmas tree (isn't that NBC's shtick?). Lasted only a second or two. This is the most botched special report I've ever seen. How hard is it to cut to network and just stay there?
9:54: WJLA just went to black for about 10 seconds. This is truly bizarre!
9:57: Green screen, then black screen, for about 15 seconds. This is wild.
10:06: Press conference over, ABC News is doing the wrapup, and Channel 7 cuts to a bizarre shot of a guy, against a green screen, slowly working a "clapper" that has something about ABC Engineering Lab written on it.
If only Bush's press conferences had always been this entertaining!
Let's go to the phones.
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Scranton, Pa.: Perhaps the palm trees are a result of advanced global warming. I think the times used on "24" are Pacific Time, so it would actually be 11:05 for the Senate hearing, and how could the Oval Office NOT have a flat-screen TV? How could Bush watch "Walker, Texas Ranger" without one?
Paul Farhi: Naw, that's East Coast time they're using. Maybe the Senate committee had another hearing with bigger TV stars and scheduled that for later in the day.
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Somebody's watching me: Let's see if I can keep track of all the concurrent Geico TV ad campaigns:
1. Gecko 2. Cavemen 3. Celebrities 4. Kid race car driver 5. Creepy eyeballs
It all "ads" up to a lot of commercials. Are we sure they are saving us money?
Paul Farhi: The "creepy eyeballs" thing has got to be the work of some art director fresh out of art school. It's so very Dali. But maybe that's giving it too much credit.
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Washington, D.C.: Watching "24" last night, I definitely saw some shots of "real" Washington -- like West Potomac Park, the Tidal Basin, etc.
Any word as to whether "24" will continue to shoot scenes for later episodes in the D.C. area, or are they all done?
Paul Farhi: They're done shooting here for this season. But I find those shots of the monuments kind of distracting. Does everything have to happen in front of a recognizable landmark? It's like those old movies in which the character's office looked out over the Capitol. Only in the movies (and at CSPAN) do they have offices like those.
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Cleveland Park, Washington, D.C.: Paul -
There's a new IHOP commercial promoting All You Can Eat Pancakes, which starts off with a distinct sound. To my ears, that sound is what starts off Billy Idol's "White Wedding." So as you can imagine, every time that commercial comes on and I hear that sound, "White Wedding" pops into my head.
Please, make it stop.
Paul Farhi: I'm kind of fascinated/disgusted by the apparently self-healing pancakes shown in those ads. When I eat a pancake, I want it to STAY eaten.
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Silver Spring, Md.: Hey Paul, last night I dreamt there would be a Clash reunion tour in March.
I seem to have known in the dream that Strummer is dead, and was unsure what they were going to do about a drummer, so was aware it was really just Jones and Simonon. But hey, Townshend and Daltry still call themselves The Who.
Just wanted to share, thanks.
Paul Farhi: Thanks. Worse has happened, of course. All those long-ago doo-wop and soul groups (The Platters, Drifters, etc.) are still touring. Thing is, there are several groups calling themselves by those names. The originals have split up and claim the name for themselves. Or the kids and grandkids and second cousins of the originals have appropriated the names. Check package for details, I guess.
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Re-24: I haven't been to D.C. in a few years so just where the heck did that port come from?
Talk about a great hideout.
Paul Farhi: I figured it could be the Southwest waterfront or Alexandria. Maybe. Or perhaps Marina del Rey.
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Washington, D.C.: How can you get from the White House to Foxhall Road in five minutes?
You do have to admit, they're trying. The disparities of the show when it was set in L.A. were very hard to ignore if you've ever been there. I'm trying to take them with a grain of salt now that it's set in my own backyard, especially since this is shaping up to be an amazing season!
Paul Farhi: Greatest all-time movie/tv geography goof: Chase scene in "No Way Out," in which Kevin Costner jumps off the Whitehurst Freeway in Georgetown, runs into non-existent Metro station in Georgetown and pops up on...the Baltimore Metro.
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College Park, Md.: Re last night's 24: I was wondering... Freckles exited a hospital and she was across from the Botanical Gardens. What hospital was that? Hmmmmm.... I guess Hollywood doesn't plan on locals watching!
Paul Farhi: Botanical Gardens: Within site of the Capitol. That's all you need to know.
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GEICO Overload: Buffett owns them again, and he's big on ROI. So I'm gonna assume that they're getting the time so cheaply that they're still making money. Besides, demand for auto insurance is pretty inelastic (you gotta have it, no matter what else you cut), so their low-price pitch makes sense right now.
Paul Farhi: Yes. All true. Remember the long-distance phone war ads of long ago? Same thing. People switch insurance carriers (like phone service back when) very often. So the ad overload makes sense: If you pick up just one percent of the switchers, you more than justify the cost of all the advertising.
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24 on location-or not: How about the Naylor Road address that looked suspiciously like the Hotel Washington?
Paul Farhi: Not even suspiciously. It WAS the Hotel Washington.
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Alexandria, Va.: I'm so glad to have Jack back in action! I don't care about the mountains in the background of the occasional shot, or the high-rise buildings right next door to the FBI building. I did see the Georgetown Gap store in one shot, so at least they did some live filming here in D.C.! Also glad Tony's not really a terrorist, though how Tony, Jack, Chloe, and Bill will save the US when it's just the 4 of them for now, I don't know.
Paul Farhi: Yes, this whole discussion is pretty immaterial to about 13 million people who a) have no clue about the details of Washington geography; and b) probably figure it's just a TV show, anyway...
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Richmond, Va.: After your comments about "K-tel" type ads as a sign of bad times (stations can get any better advertisers), I heard a story on NPR that night with a different slant. The "K-tel" dude said his sales go UP in bad times cuz it gives people a quick rush for a low price. So he chooses to advertise more cuz the market is hot now for his low cost quick fix consumer items.
Paul Farhi: I heard that NPR story, and I was a little suspicious of that claim. I wonder if the guy (who was from another outfit, not K-Tel) is mistaking cause and effect. That is, sales of crap stuff go up not because of the lousy economy, but because the crap peddlers have increased their advertising. But maybe the lousy economy enables the crap peddlers to increase their advertising by making airtime so cheap. Just a thought, not a theory.
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The Town Car: I would have thought this new green gang would embrace mass transit more -- plus, of course, you could actually get where you're going instead of abandoning ship a mile from the ball.
Paul Farhi: Thanks for mentioning that story...I think we're talking about a one-day event, and a super-crazy one at that. People are going to be scrambling for any kind of motorized transportation that's available next week. And the high-rolling tourists will be grabbing the Town Cars. But let's hope for more mass, and less crass, transit in the future...
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washingtonpost.com: For the Big Event, It's This Town's Car (Post, Jan. 9)
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Woodbridge, Va.: Have you seen the infomercial for some 1950s music box set with Bowzer from Sha Na Na? He is in full guido persona which is ridiculous considering the guy is over 60.
Paul Farhi: And especially considering that Bowser is Jewish, as documented by this scholarly work:
Guess who eats together at the Carnegie Deli/Bowser from Sha Na Na and Arthur Fonzerelli.
Paul Newman's half Jewish, Goldie Hawn's half too/Put them both together: What a fine lookin' Jew!
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HQ CTU: I was very disoriented by not only the palm trees, but by escaping from FBI HQ by driving north over the S. Capitol St. Bridge (past Nationals Park under construction). But the most stunning thing was the lack of traffic! Talk about suspension of disbelief!
Paul Farhi: That's a holdover from "24" in L.A., where the freeways are always clear sailing. Of course, it's tough to amp up the suspense and excitement when you're showing cars stuck in traffic.
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Winchester, Va.: 24 is back and I'm loving it! After the "reveal" that Tony is really not a terrorist and the old crew is on their own to save the USA, I was so excited I ran upstairs to tell my wife about it (she was watching O'Reilly). She looked at me with a "and you really think I care?" look, so I slunk back to the basement.
And give it up with the scenery issues, folks, it's TV show!
Paul Farhi: Hahaha. My wife is a self-appointed "24" imp. She watches it only to make fun of the absurdity of it. It's very entertaining. She should get her own show.
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Washington, D.C.: The comment about soul groups reminded me of the Beach Boys. These days the Beach Boys are pretty much Mike Love and a whole bunch of young guys. Sometimes they have another one of the original members with them, and I think one of the original members' sons is with the band. Last I heard at least. I grew up listening to them on long, long car trips, but I wouldn't pay to see them.
Paul Farhi: I think I've permanently O.D.'ed on Beach Boys music; can't listen to them much anymore. The real test is your iPod--would you put them in your playlist? I won't.
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since you mentioned the Clash: When listening to Mick Jones on the radio last week, I was reminded that Generation X was a cool band in the punk days. It made me mad that Gen Xer's have that name cuz they're TOO YOUNG to know the band. You wouldn't call 30-year-olds the Rolling Stone generation would you?! (that's my interrobang for the day)
Paul Farhi: Thanks for sharing. But wasn't the group just called X?
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It's Not All Crap: FYI, I just thawed my frozen-solid lunch in half an hour with the Miracle Thaw -- bought it in '95 to much derision, but it still works. The only thing I kept from my first marriage, and worth two easy payments of $9.95!
Paul Farhi: The Miracle Thaw? What is that? A heat lamp?
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Speaking of Obama,: What kind of micromanager are we in for who advocates for pushing back the switch to digital TV because the coupons are not readily available?
Paul Farhi: But good lawd, the whole transition to DTV IS plenty messed up. Imagine the wails from, what, six million people (last estimate) if they go ahead with the switch in February. I mean, people really should get on the stick about this. But the fact is, they haven't. Not sure why delaying it a few months is a bad idea.
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And especially considering that Bowser is Jewish, as documented by this scholarly work: : Paul, WHAT are you talking about?
Paul Farhi: Bowzer, the greaser guy from the doo-wop group Sha Na Na (which is only famous, as far as I can tell, because it somehow got to play at the original Woodstock) is played by a guy named Jon Bauman. Who is Jewish.
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Falls Church, Va.: re: But wasn't the group just called X?
He was referring to Gen-X, the group Billie Idol was in when he did Dancing With Myself.
Paul Farhi: Ah. Thanks. Was thinking of the L.A. punk band with Exene and John Doe.
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Beach Boys commenter again: Nope, they wouldn't go on my iPod. Although there are a number of oldies I would put on my iPod because I like them, after hearing them many times on the long, long car trips (I'm in my early 30s).
Paul Farhi: The key here? You're in your early 30s. You haven't had enough time to overload yet. I was a little kid when "Pet Sounds" came out. Which means those songs have been playing in my head for DECADES.
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Los Angeles, Calif.: If it's the same product, I believe the Miracle Thaw is a metal bit kind of like a cookie sheet set into a plastic tray and whatever the alloy it's made of conducts cold extremely well. I have one and it'll defrost a T-bone in about a third of the time just sitting on the counter will.
Paul Farhi: A third of the time? Why, that's...a miracle!
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Springfield, Va.: The whole transition is going to be a mess, I'm sure of it. I have spent over $80 per TV (set up three of them for different people, in different locales, Springfield, Annandale and Alexandria) and STILL less channels and in all three cases, local Chan 4, WRC has "no signal" on any of the TVs. This, despite a $65 upgraded antenna. So, imagine all the phone calls the stations will be getting on the day they make the change when people say "I've done what you said and I can't see my shows!" Trust me, it will happen -- delaying the conversion won't help that problem.
Paul Farhi: Wow, what a nightmare. And just a guess here: The people who haven't converted yet probably aren't the most technologically savvy folks around (they're still using rabbit ears, after all). Which makes getting them to convert so much harder. Plus, what about all the poor folk who can't afford to buy the converter? Plus...etc.
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Paul, WHAT are you talking about?: Right, but what is the scholarly work you referenced?
Paul Farhi: The scholarly work is the song stylings of Mr. Adam Sandler, specifically "The Hanukah Song" (first one). That's where those lyrics come from.
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Alexandria, Va.: The "port" in D.C. isn't a port per se -- but there is a navigable waterfront on the Anacostia. If you travel south on S. Capitol, passing the Nats Park (seen in the background under construction), and make a right to head east on Potomac Ave, and poke around back there among the cement plant, parking lots, and everything else, there are some small docks and even the James Creek Marina is there for personal boats (members only).
Paul Farhi: Thanks for the clarification. But I'm stopped by the "under construction" thing. Nats Park was under construction TWO summers ago. You figure they filmed those scenes there in 2007? I guess that's possible, but seems weird to me...
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Washington, D.C.: 24 is one of the reasons I don't watch Fox ANYTHING. (The other reason is Sean Hannity). Rupert puts all of his fantasies on the air; Rupert needs his head examined. None of it is true, none of it is plausible.
Paul Farhi: Rupert doesn't really care either way, as long as it makes money. There's no really solid evidence that he ever greenlit any movie or TV show. He's conservative, yes, but his foremost loyalty is to money.
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What about all the poor folk who can't afford to buy the converter?: I saw one advertised at Walgreens for $15 ($55 minus $40 off coupon).
Paul Farhi: Yeah, but that's the problem right now. The Commerce Dept. (or whichever agency is running the coupon program) has run out of coupons. They're gonna need a new authorization (i.e., more cash) from Congress before they can issue more coups.
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Houston, Tex.: Yeah, but well Pet Sounds is PET SOUNDS! Of course it's on my iPod -- Of course, I didn't OD on the Beach Boys the way many others did.
Paul Farhi: True. Great album. But I've heard every song on it at least 6,453 times. Gotta give it a rest.
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Generation X: Whichever one he was writing about, Gen X'ers are of the right age. X comprises births from 1961 to 1981. The Idol band Generation X was more or less mid-70s to early 80s. The punk band was late 70s till?
Paul Farhi: The punk band is still around, actually. Doing the nostalgia circuit, I guess (amazing to think that there's a punk nostalgia circuit; I see grandmas and grandpas with green mohawks).
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My problem with 24: is that each episode is the same. I watched the first season, but shortly into the second, my husband and I agreed it felt like reruns.
Paul Farhi: Have you met my wife? Are you my wife? Because you sound exactly like her.
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The Commerce Dept. (or whichever agency is running the coupon program) has run out of coupons.: a lot of those coupons expired unused. They had a short expiration period and anyone who received their's before the holidays was surprised to learn it expired when they went to use it at after Xmas sales. That happened to my sister, and she already requested her max.
Paul Farhi: Ah. Thank you. Yet ANOTHER reason to delay this thing.
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Washington, D.C.: Since J. Free apparently doesn't have a chat today, I'm glad you are answering some music questions.
Oh, wasn't Mrs. J. Free going to have a baby this month?
Paul Farhi: Pleased to report that Mr. and Mrs. J. Free are the proud parents of bouncing baby boy, Miles! Born Friday, I believe.
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Last night I was riding the bus home : and a woman was talking on her cell phone to her husband. She was telling him she'd be home in 1/2 an hour, and she was hungry so he'd better have dinner on the table when she got home. I thought she was joking around, but the look on her face didn't look jokey. And I thought, wow, lady, you are riding the bus like the rest of us schmucks. I mean, it's not like she's being driven around in a Town Car or something and you'd expect that attitude.
Paul Farhi: Oh, I don't know. I bet the folks riding around in Town Cars probably aren't all bad. Money doesn't change people; People change people. Or something like that.
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Georgetown, Washington, D.C.: On the timing of filming -- I'm not sure about the rest of it, but they at least filmed the terrorist safehouse scene (on N street in between 33th and 34th) in 2007.
Paul Farhi: Thanks, Geo'town. I guess they've had a lot of time to put this season together, what with the writers' strike blowing out all of last season (which is, in fact, THIS season)...
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Nats Park in "24": Just hazarding a guess, but perhaps the "24" footage of a still-under-construction Nationals Park was shot in 2007 as stock or background for the 2008 series that never happened due to the writers strike.
Paul Farhi: Yep, I think that's what we're looking at...
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Alexandria, Va.: Paul, I can't ever remember an assault of annoying commercials like the barrage of those Dodge Ram pickup commercials during the games this past weekend (It's got some kind of tool box... That's a Ram-box!). Aaaagh! It makes me pine for the days of "Saaaaaved by Zeeeero..."
Paul Farhi: Hard for me to tell pick-up truck ads apart. They're all about macho dudes bouncing around rutted roads and splashing across little-bitty streams. And apparently, they all have "torque" (the trucks, not the macho dudes, although maybe them, too)
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Burke, Va.: I think Freckles the FBI agent on 24 is secretly Lindsay Lohan's older (and more virtuous) sister. Check out the resemblance.
Paul Farhi: Excellent observation! I would have come to that conclusion earlier, but the red hair (which doesn't look real) kept throwing me off.
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Re- Delaying the Digital: There are a few problems with a delay. Once they auctioned the analog off already
But a bigger problem is that it is expensive to continue broadcast in both digital and analog, not all stations are owned by giants corporations. As someone who works at a public station, I assure you just getting more money in the system for the coupons is a far better idea than pushing back the switch to God knows when.
Paul Farhi: Interesting. And that's a fair consideration. The government pushed every TV station to switch to digital, and it can't insist that everyone do both analog and digital indefinitely. But would a few more months really hurt? It's in the broadcast industry's own interest to have as many people converting their sets as possible...
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Sha Na Na: Woodstock is where they got their break, but that was before my time. I remember them well from my childhood in the '70s, when they had their own variety show, as part of that mid-'70s boom of '50s nostalgia started by "American Graffiti" and carried on by "Happy Days." I remember being immersed in it, but that may be because my mom was a teenager in the '50s and loved reliving it.
Paul Farhi: Right. I vaguely remember their variety show. It was terrible.
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Annandale, Va.: I would laugh if this seasons '24' had a scene in D.C. showing an In-N-Out Burger. Then I would get really hungry and yearn for a Double Double, Animal Style, with a chocolate shake.
Paul Farhi: For the uninitiated, In-n-Out is the greatest fast food chain ever, better than the next six chains combined. Unfortunately, it's strictly West Coast (maybe it gets as far east as Utah), so we can only pine from afar.
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No Beach Boys on the iPod: The one cassette that never got played over and over on our on our car trips was Pet Sounds, because my mom preferred their older stuff (and Kokomo, of course). So beyond Good Vibrations I'm pretty much ignorant of it. But all the surfing songs I can quote, not that I want to.
Paul Farhi: Every time I hear "Kokomo," I think "Beach Boys cover band." It's such a pale imitation. And isn't Kokomo in Indiana?
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Washington, D.C.: Coming in too late perhaps (or early for next week!) -- but thanks to the magic of the DVR, I was able to rewind and confirm that the shot used for the exterior of the lead of the TV show WORST WEEK's office is the building across from my apartment. At Thomas Circle. . . not one of your better know D.C. landmarks.
Paul Farhi: Man, that's obscure! Why would anyone do that? Is it in the foreground of an Officially Recognizable Washington Landmark, such as those depicted in every scene of "24"?
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Hard for me to tell pick-up truck ads apart.: I kinda like the ones where they macho guys are wearing t-shirts identifying them as part of the "contractor" team or the "firemen" team, or some other macho guy team.
Paul Farhi: Yes. Don't quite understand that one. And don't you think it kind of undercuts the whole macho image when guys put on his-and-his matching tee shirts? Sort of like those weird mother-daughter matching outfits.
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Switch to digital: If they're worried about folks losing their TV then why not phase it in, one network at a time over the course of a month. It wouldn't be so bad losing one network, especially if it was ABC. Does anyone watch ABC?
Paul Farhi: I'm sure ABC's affiliates would complain that they're being forced marched ahead of everyone else, and that it's not fair to do that. But I'll pass on the suggestion to the FCC...
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Chloe's Sister: Who knew Debbie Downer was her sister, and that she worked at the FBI?
Paul Farhi: Yes, Janeane Garofalo. I thought Chloe already had the nervous, computer-whiz nerd girl role taken care of.
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No Way Out: That's not even the best goof in that movie. The better one is when Costner leaves Gerogetown and drives on the GW Parkway to Annapolis.
Paul Farhi: Yep. Good one. There's a bunch of 'em in that movie.
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Hollywood, Calif.: To Our Scholarly Questioner: Holy Moly, I know that not everyone has the pop culture sensibilities that I possess, but really? You didn't know the Hanukkah Song, dude? :--
At work, recently I made reference to the death of Cheryl (From the original Mousketeers)and I got a lot of blank stares. Yes, young'uns, I know that you weren't born yet, but you have never heard of the Mickey Mouse Club??
Seems like when we were kids, we were exposed to a larger amount and wider variety of stuff than kids are today.
I shake my fist at all of you, garnabbit!
washingtonpost.com: Cheryl Holdridge dies at 64; popular Mouseketeer (L.A. Times, Jan. 9)
Paul Farhi: Well, I think aging Baby Boomers (and aren't they all aging?) have a lot of accumulated pop-culture knowledge; that just comes from living. But I think young people are EXPOSED to far more stuff today than the oldsters were. More TV channels. More internets. More everything. I think the average pop-cult knowledge of a 20 year old is infinitely greater than a 20-yr-old of, say, 30 years ago.
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Oakton, Va.: Generation X: Dude, the Xers started in 1964 not 1961. Up to '64 are still boomers.
Paul Farhi: Right. '64 is usually the dividing line.
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Green Bay, Wisc.: D.C. Palm Trees: No worse than (a) Milwaukee County Stadium filling in for Cleveland Municipal Stadium in "Major League" or (b)Milwaukee's "freeway to nowhere" filling in for part of the Dan Ryan during the Blues Brothers chase.
Paul Farhi: I'll bet you that people in every town in which any movie or TV show has been filmed can play this game. Thing is, no one in the rest of the country can. They just dunno the difference.
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Thomas Circle, Washington, D.C.: It's just that building that houses some trade assoc (Home Builders) on an odd shape of land, shot from the circle (you can see the statue in the park and one of the old lights). Doubling for the character's office exterior. Odd!
Paul Farhi: Oh, that's a cool building. Now I see why they use it.
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Paul Farhi: Folks, talk about covering the waterfront--we covered it, plus the Mall, Georgetown and other Officially Recognizable Washington Locations. But there's more, so much more. No chat next week (there seems to be something happening in town next Tuesday), but we'll resume in two weeks. Bring your "24" sightings and whatever else is on your mind. Catch your act then. In the meantime, regards to all..Paul.
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