The Reliable Source

Washington Post columnists Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts were online Wednesday, Sept. 2, at Noon ET to discuss your favorite gossip, recent celebrity sightings and their recent columns.

In today's Reliable Source, VIPs and their Twittering gaffes; Jenna Bush getting a new job -- and, hello, changes the color of her hair; and Fran Drescher threatening again to run for office. Jay-Z's bodyguard in a skuffle in Dubrovnik and more.

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Amy Argetsinger: Good morning! It's great to be back from vacation and see all your smiling faces.

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Dallas, Tex.: Hi Amy and Roxanne, (pookie is getting old) Are there really people interested in Jenna Bush's reporting? Have we regressed into an American Idol society, minimal substance maximum celebrity, justified or un?

Roxanne Roberts: 1)Yeah. 2)Pretty much.

Amy Argetsinger: You have a problem with that? I mean, it's what keeps the two of us in business. And all of us meeting here on Wednesdays.

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Florida Chick: Dreadful pandering, this hiring of Jenna Bush for the Today show. It wasn't enough that she was green-lighted for two books? With two years teaching experience and an unimpressive academic record? She would be lucky to get the teaching job on the merits she earned. Same greased skid as the dad had. I am boycotting the Today show. This is almost as bad as the Luke Russert hire, which was all-time bottom for "if you're famous you're in." I am disgusted. boycott.

Roxanne Roberts: To elaborate: Think like a TV producer. Who's going to get viewers: An education expert with years of experience who no one has ever heard of? Or Jenna?

Jenna, of course. The topics covered in a five-minute segment should be well within her talents (plus she'll have producers helping to make her look good.) She can be quite charming when she chooses, and will appeal to the morning television set. This isn't C-Span, people.

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Washington, D.C.: Hi! Any updates on Kal Penn? I feel like I haven't heard much about his whereabouts recently. But, then again, I haven't really been paying attention. Is he still working for Obama? Living in D.C.?

Amy Argetsinger: He's quietly on the job and seeming to fit in perfectly. Colleagues and readers often see him walking to work from the Dupont/Logan area. We're not actually hearing a lot of sightings of him from you all, though, beyond that.

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Incredulous: This Jaycee Dugard thing continues to amaze. Do I understand correctly that the two young daughters actually grew up in the backyard? Did they never ask why they didn't sleep in the house?

Amy Argetsinger: No one ever questions the circumstance of their childhood, because it's the only childhood they know. How would they know that their lifestyle was weird? That's what's so tragic about child abuse cases, even when the child has been rescued -- that's their normal. It's all they know.

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Sign Guy: Did you hear how the whole "I cheated, this is my punishment" guy was a big hoax? HOT 99.5 set it all up...I heard the end of their discussion about it on the radio this morning but didn't catch the whole thing. Do you have any details?

Amy Argetsinger: Indeed -- Kane fessed up on-air after the Post confronted him about this yesterday. Link to Ruth McCann's expose to follow...

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washingtonpost.com: Man's Roadside Repentance for Cheating a Ruse (Post, Sept. 2)

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More on Jenna: Frankly, I was more impressed that she and Henry sat on the lawn at Merriweather for the concert, per your piece, instead of expensive front-row seats. Maybe this is some evidence that the two are more "normal" than we give them credit for?

Amy Argetsinger: The lawn is always more fun than seats (unless it rains). And the record will reflect that Jenna likes fun.

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Reston, Va.: Charles Gibson retiring; Diane Sawyer taking his chair...fascinating!

Amy Argetsinger: For those of you who still watch the evening news, definitely.

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Jenna vs. Billy: This does raise an interesting question. Well, at least a question. Which TV Bush will be more vapid: Billy or Jenna? (Billy will be awfully hard to beat, but I'm sure Jenna will give it a good try.).

Amy Argetsinger: I'm fascinated by Billy Bush. His whole persona. He's the TV personality of his generation who, instead of playing younger and cool, actually seems to be TRYING to act like an old-school old-man cheesy game-show host type. He's utterly out of step, and I weirdly admire him for it. Doesn't mean I can stand to watch him for long, but still...

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Merriweather Post: The Merriweather Post Pavilion was the scene of the first part of my date with Weird Al.

Welcome back -- we missed you!

Amy Argetsinger: We missed you too!

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Washington, D.C.: Enjoyed your piece about Jenna's hair color, but couldn't believe her stylist talked to you! Do you think he had permission? Or, more directly, do you think that since now she's a "reporter" she has less justification in telling people not to talk about her to reporters?

Amy Argetsinger: A little surprising, yes. Clearly they've got a good relationship. And maybe he (or he and she both) wanted to downplay the idea that this was as dramatic a change as it looks.

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Slow Day?: The Politics guy answered a grand total of 12 questions; you seem a little slower than usual. Are people just not writing in?

Amy Argetsinger: I'm hobbled a bit by a finger injury, but mostly you all are to blame. Where is everyone?

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washingtonpost.com: ABC's Gibson to Step Down; Sawyer Will Replace Him (The New York Times, Sept. 2)

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Washington, D.C.: Did I miss it, or has John Edwards just not yet come out officially and say that he is the father of what's-her-name's baby?

Roxanne Roberts: I've been watching----no official word from the Edwards camp, despite all the rumors.

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I'm with Florida Chick: Jenna Bush's new job is especially galling at a time when thousands of journalists with real training and experience have lost their jobs. "Within her talents?" I didn't realize being born to privilege was considered a talent these days.

Amy Argetsinger: Well, let's break it down here. If you were outraged when Summer Sanders and Tiki Barber and Giada de Laurentiis got "special correspondent" gigs on "Today" without prior journalism experience, then go ahead and be outraged here. It's possible you haven't seen "Today" lately; we're not talking about NBC News so much as we're talking about the show that gives over an entire hour to Kathy Lee Gifford. This is in the realm of celebrity spokesmodel stuff.

I'd probably be more worked up about this if this were a full-time actual journalism job -- it's just a once-a-month personality-driven thing. And even if it were... you know, this is how the world works. The Kennedys and Cuomos and Shrivers and Buckleys and Russerts all sent kids into real journalism jobs where they basically started right at the top, without having to labor in the trenches and small markets. It happens all the time.

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Punk'd: So, Chelsea didn't get married after all, huh?

Amy Argetsinger: How do you know she didn't?

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What are you two doing...: for Labor Day? Any suggestions where those of us with days off can sight some celebs?

Amy Argetsinger: I don't know, is there a parade? With politicians throwing Tootsie Rolls? That your kind of thing?

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Amy Argetsinger: Confidential to Connecticut and L -- there's a detail of that sighting that makes it interesting. Can you tell us more at reliablesource@washpost.com?

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Los Angeles, Calif.: Have you been following the Paris Jackson haircut story?

Amy Argetsinger: Britain's Daily Mail -- which is kind of National Enquirer-ish -- claims Paris got a haircut in Vegas, and that her security team ordered that all the cut pieces be swept up into a plastic bag, allegedly so that no one could steal them for DNA tests.

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Apparently I'm the only one: not upset by the Today show job for Jenna. She handles herself well on camera, and maybe she will use this to promote some of those things she cares about, like the plight of young women with AIDS in developing nations. I say, give her a chance first. Also, I was okay with Tiki getting a job, because he is very funny and at least he went to UVA....

Roxanne Roberts: As Amy said, the Today show these days is not exactly hard-hitting. I figure Jenna will be more appealing than yet another weight loss segment.

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Maybe this is some evidence that the two are more "normal" than we give them credit for?: Ironically, this is same type of shallow judgment used to label them in the other direction. i.e., people who don't know you, see you doing 1 or 2 things and suddenly, your whole essence is explained.

Amy Argetsinger: It's about par with those of us who say of whatever starlet, "she seems like a good mom, based on those photos I see of her in US playing with her baby."

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D.C.: Watched part of Harold and Kumar: Escape from Guantanamo Bay (not by choice) this weekend -- how on earth did Kal Penn get a serious job? Not only was the movie terrible, but the gross factor was out of hand. I know he didn't write it or anything, but I still don't like the fact that I've seen the guy on the toilet.

Amy Argetsinger: Wow -- I need to rent that.

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Atlanta, Ga.: What else should NBC do? Seriously...hire someone you've never heard about, have their ratings drop, cancel the show? What is it you're looking for?

I watched about 30 seconds of Kathie Lee and Hoda this morning. OMG. I COULD NOT believe it. It looks like they're sitting in their living room with a set that was made by high schoolers, and they don't look any better than that. What is it you think the networks are producing?

And seriously -- she wrote a book to bring out information about an issue that was dear to her. She knew she had this pulpit, and she was trying to use it for good. It's the way it goes. Life isn't fair. The more 'fair' we try to make it, well, the less fair it gets. Live with it, deal with it, work harder. Nothing more you can do.

Amy Argetsinger: I always mean to tune into Kathie Lee's hour, because it really is just state-of-the-art nutty.

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Washington, D.C.: If you deliberately followed a post complaining that Jenna Bush Hager is a talentless "celebrity hire" with a post breathlessly asking whether Kal Penn had started working yet, then you get a prize for Best Ironic Ordering of Questions on a WaPo Chat.

Amy Argetsinger: hahaha! You give us too much credit...

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Chelsea vs. Jenna!: For those no longer interested in Brangelina vs. Jennifer in the "who's married? who's not?" debate -- this could also go on for years ....

But why no Jenna vs. Barbara? This "debate" already cancels out genetics and environment factors in a sociological experiment.

Amy Argetsinger: Not sure if I follow -- are you proposing a Jenna vs. Barbara debate, along the lines of the Betty vs. Veronica and Ginger vs. Mary Ann debates that fueled so many late night study hall conversations?

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Giada de Laurentiis: Studied at the Cordon Bleu, worked as a restaurant chef, personal chef, food stylist years BEFORE appearing on the Today show! She has skill, education and experience.

Amy Argetsinger: Being the granddaughter of Dino de Laurentiis -- and being dazzlingly pretty and charismatic -- had a bit to do with getting noticed by Food Network to have that show in the first place. Nothing wrong with that.

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I'm still with Florida Chick: At least Summer Sanders and Tiki Barber earned their name recognition on their own steam with their own hard work and talents. De Laurentiis had a bit of a leg up with a famous family, but she at least established some chops going to culinary school and working in restaurants.

Jenna Bush earned nothing. She's famous for being a First Daughter, and not an especially distinguished one.

Amy Argetsinger: More to come...

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Jenna: I see the I'm-Perfect-And-She's-Not-Police are out in full force. For the record, as one who had a questionable academic record (and then went on to ace grad school much later) my best teachers were the ones who could reach me where I was at, which was never from a straight A pedestal. I like Jenna -- she had a wild and crazy youth and has seemingly matured into a thoughtful young woman. People with checkered backgrounds can have a lot to offer.

Amy Argetsinger: More to come...

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Cleveland Park, D.C.: What do you think about Meghan McCain cohosting The View next week? I can't tell if she's very smart or has great PR people or is just milking her dad's fame. It seems like she's everywhere lately.

Amy Argetsinger: You are correct -- she is everywhere these days. She has a knack for saying outrageous things, which continues to be perceived, accurately or not, as an interesting juxtaposition to her family background. So she gets booked a lot. It's up to you the viewing/reading public whether she sticks around.

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Fran for Congress?: Why not? She's NOT Fran Fine. Fran Drescher is articulate (not whiny), and has real gravitas on health issues (especially cancer, which endangered her own life). America could do -- and goodness knows, has done -- far worse!

Amy Argetsinger: Well, there's one vote.

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Kathie Lee: Now there's someone who's celebrity has always escaped me. She's married to a guy old enough to be her father, goes on and on about her "privileged" children, and really needs to wear undergarments....None of those are things I'd say about Jenna Bush Hager.

Amy Argetsinger: Don't we all need to wear undergarments?

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she wrote a book to bring out information about an issue that was dear to her: That's just like saying a starlet is a good mother based on the spread in Us magazine!. She got a sweetheart book deal none of us could have gotten and wrote an easy book ("sickness is bad!") to up her sympathy points. She was a pretty girl seeking a "cause." puleeze

Amy Argetsinger: More to come, I'm sure...

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Anonymous: Maybe Billy Bush and Jenna Bush can interview each other on each other's respective shows about what it's like being part of the Bush family.

Amy Argetsinger: Moderated by Maria Shriver, with commentary by the Chrises Cuomo and Buckley, and introduced by Luke Russert.

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Mary Ann and Betty rule!: Study halls always ended with this agreement.

Amy Argetsinger: Basically, right?

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Malibu, Calif.: I propose a new way to classify celebrities, based on their tanning salon exposure gone horribly wrong.

It's a dichotomy: On one side, there's the Traffic Cone (i.e. John Boehner: Boehner) and on the other, there's the Lobster (i.e. Janice Dickinson: Janice Dickinson).

Then, of course, there's Richard Branson, who goes both ways on any given day.

Amy Argetsinger: Very useful, thanks.

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Experienced or not?: I think Jenna could prove to be as good a correspondent as any ...

But can Fran Drescher be as good a public official as any?

Amy Argetsinger: We'll let the viewers and voters decide.

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Being the granddaughter of Dino de Laurentiis -- and being dazzlingly pretty and charismatic -- had a bit to do with getting noticed by Food Network to have that show in the first place: But she was WELL accomplished before that. Studying at Le Cordon Bleu, working in top restaurants, writing for Sauveur, All BEFORE Food Network. IF she never had a show on FN, had "a face for radio" she'd still be accomplished.

Amy Argetsinger: I'm not quibbling with her resume. Some people get TV shows with that resume, and others don't. And that's the way the world works, and I'm not bothered by it.

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the Paris Jackson haircut story: The DNA's in the FOLLICLES, so unless there were a few combed-out whole hairs in the mass of cut hair, it wouldn't do an investigator any good.

Amy Argetsinger: You know why else they sweep up the hair and put it all in a bag? It's called "trash" -- they do it every time I go to get my hair cut, now that I think about it. Hmmm...

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but mostly you all are to blame: How were your vacations? Mine was great. I went to LA for the first time in about 15 years, and then took the train (Amtrak) to San Francisco (Oakland, actually -- there is no long-distance train service into SF.) The train was great, incredibly scenic, and worth doing. I went to a Dodgers game, where I learned about Kiss Cam, and discovered that they play "I Love LA" not at all ironically after the game. Then I went to a Giants game, where they also have a Kiss Cam, and discovered that they play "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" not at all ironically after the game. I did some other stuff, too, but that's all I can remember right now.

Amy Argetsinger: Well, thanks for sharing!

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Book Deals: I guess you could throw "It Takes a Village" on the list of "books that would never get a deal if someone famous didn't write it."

People should be honest about the Today show appointment: Their feathers are ruffled not because she is a celebrity, but because she is a Bush.

Amy Argetsinger: More to come, I'm sure...

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Don't we all need to wear undergarments? : OMG! 2nd spewing incident of the day! Let's go for the record!

Amy Argetsinger: Thank you. I sort of cracked myself up with that one too.

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Annapolis, Md.: Not only did Jenna sit on the lawn at Merriweather, she lives around the corner from my daughter in Baltimore and hers is one of the charming yet row houses in Federal Hill, not some mansion overlooking the inner harbor. I hear the Secret Service are always getting parking tickets there.

Amy Argetsinger: Not only parking tickets -- one of the Secret Service vans famously got towed from the neighborhood. Link to follow.

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Baltimore, Md.: Jenna and the Today Show: Those decrying the fact that Today has somehow gone downhill should know that in the beginning, the show was hosted by a very dignified man named Dave Garroway who, nonetheless, often had a chimpanzee named J. Fred Muggs appearing as a co-host (or co-primate, I guess.) TV in the early years could be pretty odd.

Amy Argetsinger: More to come...

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Yesterday or Tomorrow: Maybe it's because I never watch "Today," (I stopped years and years ago when they started having all those screaming people outside), but I could honestly care less if Jenna Bush does periodic segments for the show. It's really not worth getting one's panties in a knot. Can we move on?

Amy Argetsinger: More to come...

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Privileged children in media: Don't forget the Queen of 'em all, Cokie Roberts -- daughter of the late House Majority Leader Hale Boggs and Lindy Boggs (successor to her husband's congressional seat).

Amy Argetsinger: More to come...

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Jennala, ND: Interesting there's such vehemence about Jenna's Today role, on both sides of the question. To me, it was more a case of 'Meh, good for her.'

Amy Argetsinger: More to come?

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Being the granddaughter of Dino de Laurentiis : I must admit, I'd never heard of the guy until I saw Giada's life story on Food Network. I guess it depends on what one is exposed to. But, I think, her looks and charisma helped a lot, but really, that can be said about a lot of people.

Amy Argetsinger: Also, she has an awesomely melodious name.

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Roxanne Roberts: Back again. Fighting with my computer connection all hour.

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Diane Sawyer: The "Frost Nixon" movie taught me that she was a researcher of some kind for Richard Nixon. Is that true? If so, made me think of her a little differently.

There was also that time she awkwardly interviewed J.Lo but said nothing directly about J.Lo's at that point obvious pregnancy, instead saying something like "HOW are you FEELING?" As if she had agreed to not talk about it. Kind of lame, I thought.

Amy Argetsinger: There are a lot of weird and unsavory agreements behind those prime-time celebrity interviews, I think.

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Mark Sanford's soul mate?: How about that Mark Sanford turning down his own Lt. Governor's request that he resign? Do you smell impeachment?

Do you think Sanford will eventually run off to Argentina to be with his "soul mate," or that she'll move here?

Amy Argetsinger: I do wonder how that relationship-on-the-side is holding up...

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Washington, D.C.: Enough with the serious stuff! What did you ladies do with your time away from us? Was it all business like reading Us Weekly, or something enjoyable like doing Suduko puzzles and ordering umbrella drinks?

Amy Argetsinger: I finished "Anna Karenina" just in time to read the special People Magazine Celebrates the '70s! issue. Amazing.

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Fran Drescher : I cannot read/hear that name without hearing that voice in my head! Make it stop!

Roxanne Roberts: I think that's why the "Nanny" got canceled. Finally drove people off the bend.

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Thanks for the Fran Drescher update: I'd forgotten all about her! Can you imagine watching her give speeches in the Senate?

Roxanne Roberts: My hands are over my ears. "La la la la......."

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SNL: Have never seen Hoda and Kathie Lee perform, but the skits about them on SNL are so charming -- was wondering how they measured up the real thing?

Roxanne Roberts: Not as funny---unfortunately.

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Jenna wrote a book?: You sure about that? The vast majority of famous people who get book contracts hire ghostwriters.

Roxanne Roberts: She swore she did this one herself.

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New York: Okay, this question is a bit off topic and dated by a month or so, but what's the deal with that Julia Child movie. She died in 2004 at age 92, and the first blog started in 1997, when she was 85. So Meryl Streep is playing a 90-year-old woman who hooks up with a young blogger before she dies. This is baffling to me. My willing suspension of disbelief only goes so far.

Amy Argetsinger: Did you see the movie? Julia Child never met Julie Powell, the woman who started blogging about Child's recipes in 2002. The movie interweaves two different story lines about their separate lives; they never intersect.

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Vicki Kennedy: If the Kennedy compound at Hyannis Port indeed becomes a museum as Ted suggested, did he and Vicki have a home in Washington where she might settle?

Roxanne Roberts: Yes. They spent their time in Washington at their home in Kalorama.

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Anonymous: Didn't our dear Diane Sawyer actually WORK for the Nixon White House?

Amy Argetsinger: She worked in the Nixon White House press office, then was part of the team that helped him write his memoirs.

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North Potomac, Md.: No cute pix of the Obama girls headed back for first day of school? Or did I just miss them?

Amy Argetsinger: I think the press corps was given the one photo-op when they started at Sidwell last winter; no more of that allowed.

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Amy Argetsinger: To the chatter who can't get Fran Drescher's voice out of your head? Try listening to the tune on the YouTube clip I'm about to give you -- that will get it out of your system.

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Anonymous: I'm sure this will upset a lot of people, but I'm convinced that Fran Drescher 40 years ago would have been Lucille Ball.

Amy Argetsinger: Provocative! See, this is as good as a Ginger vs. Mary Ann debate. Sorry you didn't bring it up sooner. I encourage you all to carry on this discussion over your sixth drink tonight.

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washingtonpost.com: The Nanny Intro (YouTube)

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Which TV Bush will be more vapid: Billy or Jenna?: Does Lauren Bush ever appear on TV any more?

Roxanne Roberts: Didn't she get married? Or something? So not interesting....

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Anonymous: "Julia Child never met Julie Powell"

I didn't know that. Now I don't have to see it, and my confusion is cleared up. You've done your deed for the day.

Roxanne Roberts: See it just for Meryl Streep's performance. She is grand.

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Jenna Bush Fed Hill: Federal Hill is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in Baltimore. Plus, there are no mansions that overlook the harbor -- only condos.

Amy Argetsinger: And doesn't Michael Phelps have one of those million-dollar condos overlooking the waterfront? Jenna and Henry's two-bedroom house cost them $440,000 last year -- we should all move to Baltimore.

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the "pretty girl": Jenna may not be the smartest cookie, she may ride her fame, but to say "she's just looking for a cause" devalues the importance of the cause. AIDS is a serious enough problem that scoffing at efforts to support it because "they aren't sincere" is a snobbery we can ill afford.

Amy Argetsinger: See? Told you there was more-to-come.

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Anonymous: Fran Drescher is not worse than Gopher, Cooter or Sonny. This ain't the French Legion of Honor

Amy Argetsinger: hahaha!

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Silver Spring, Md.: Re: Betty and Veronica Wait, they both are pretty but one of them has money. I'm thinking brunette is the way to go!

Roxanne Roberts: One for the home team!

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Smart mouth: Do you think Tony Danza has started his back to school shopping yet ? He's teaching this year, not a student, right?

Amy Argetsinger: Hey, did we already talk about Tony's blockbuster interview where he disclosed his friendship with Tupac Shakur? This was just before I went on vacation, so I can't remember. He said they struck up a friendship when he wrote to Tupac, behind bars at the time, just to show him some support, and Tupac wrote back.

Why did Tupac write back, the interviewer asked? "Because I'm Tony Danza," Tony Danza said.

It was awesome.

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It's really not worth getting one's panties in a knot. : Especially if you're not required to wear undergarments.

Roxanne Roberts: Ah, summer. Such a carefree time. Pretty soon it will be too cold....

But I stray from my main point. So glad to be back and ready for Fall fun. And so glad you're back with us. As always, send in your tips to reliablesource@washpost.com. And wear those white shoes this weekend or you'll have to wait until next year.

Same time, next week.

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Anonymous: Isn't Archie marrying Betty? Or is it Veronica?

Amy Argetsinger: I'm sorry to tell you he's marrying Veronica.

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Bush twins: Do you think that Barbara channels Jan Brady and says "Jenna Jenna Jenna"?

Amy Argetsinger: Do you think? She doesn't seem to be trying to keep up with Jenna, celebrity-wise, so maybe not.

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Secret Servi, CE: Why am I paying for Jenna Bush to have Secret Service protection? She's an adult and no adult child of former presidents should have SS protection (that includes Chelsea Clinton).

Amy Argetsinger: Ambiguous if she still has it; her protection detail was extended for a while after her dad left office because of unknown circumstances. These things are always very secretive. Whatever the latest status, one way to feel better about it is when you realize that no one LIKES having Secret Service protection. It's a nuisance and intrusion, not a benefit. It's not like they're doing your laundry for you.

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Kennedy offspring at the funeral: Who was the Kennedy boy with the round face and looooong straight blonde hair? He reminded me of Cousin Oliver on the Brady Bunch.

Amy Argetsinger: That would be Ted Kennedy III. And yes, he was my favorite too that day.

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Washington, D.C.: I guess the Jenna poster who aced grad school did not study English. That's why he/she uses "at" with "where." Is there no hope to stop the over and misuse of prepositions? It happens all the time on the news -- even NPR. Things are changed, not changed up, swapped, not swapped out. I often wonder where things are, not not where they are at. In casual conversation (like the Jenna poster ;)), who cares, but in writing and on broadcast news, is it too much to expect people to use proper grammar? Do I need a life? Is the Today show hiring?

Amy Argetsinger: I nominate you for Today's special grammar correspondent. You could do special monthly reports on the misuse/abuse of prepositions.

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Amy Argetsinger: Oh, wait, did Rox already say goodbye? Then I'll say goodbye too. Goodbye! Thanks for joining; see you next week...

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