The Reliable Source: Kal Penn, Dorothy Height, Cameron Douglas, Mel Gibson's ex, Mo'Nique's brother, Larry King, Janine Turner, more

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Amy Argetsinger,Roxanne Roberts
Wednesday, April 21, 2010; 12:00 PM

Washington Post columnists Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts discussed your favorite gossip, celebrity sightings and their recent columns.

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Rocci Fisch:

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WWDTM: Roxanne -- you were great at WWDTM in St. Louis last week! And you looked fantastic. Mo is much taller than you would think. Did you enjoy your time in St. Louis?

Amy Argetsinger: Good morning, and thanks for joining. This is where I need to tell that Roxanne is home sick today, and I hope it's not something you gave her.As for me, I apologize for the delay. Someone left the cake out in the rain.

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The Latest on Kal Penn: Well, I wanted news about him but not this kind! What a bummer to get robbed on the street. Of course, what I really want to know now is where he was coming from/going at 1:30 a.m.? Oh, and why would Harold and Kumar do a Christmas movie? Do they even celebrate it?

Amy Argetsinger: I know, horrible, isn't it? As a resident of that neighborhood, I feel strangely guilty -- though I had nothing to do with this, of course. It's just like the feeling you have when your cousin visits you, and his CDs get stolen out of his car when it's parked in front of your building.So many questions we'll just have to wait to have answered in the next H&K movie -- which might be in 3D!

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The Larry King See-Saw: He is getting divorced! He's not getting divorced! He's waiting two weeks to decide! Good grief! You'd think he'd be experienced enough at this to be able to make a decision. And why would his wife consider staying together? It's clear he's not so good at being married.King link.

Amy Argetsinger: Oh, I'd say he's pretty good at being married. Hell, he's done it EIGHT times, and I haven't even done it once.

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The Mel Gibson Saga: Two questions: Is it now obvious this woman used him for her own career advancement? Will he now decide to go back with his wife (and all the money he had to leave there)?Mel Gibson's ex-girlfriend dropping hints.

Amy Argetsinger: Of course, it's very sad when anyone breaks up, and we can never really know what goes on in the relationships of other people.... but does she sound like TROUBLE or what? Larry, stay away from that one!

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Cake in the Rain: Someone lefty cake out in the rain? Does that mean something, or that literally there is cake being rained on right now?

Amy Argetsinger: Who here can tell them what it means?

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Sen. Inoye's grandchild: Okay, so I wasn't reading carefully and thought this said "love child." Boy, is my mind in the gutter. But that would have been a great story!Sen. Inouye welcomes first grandchild.

Amy Argetsinger: I'm so sorry. You guys are just starved for scandal, aren't you? We'll try harder.

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Mt Vernon icident???: Wife and I were visiting Mt Vernon on Sat, April 17. When ready to leave, around 3:15 or so, outside main entrance were a firetruck and a helicopter marked "Park Police" was parked on the grassy area in front of the main gate.the parking lots and the highway leading out of the park were blocked to traffic. Wife overheard a worker at the restaurant say that she saw "3 inert bodies" lying out there somewhere..were able to leave around 4:00....have not seen or heard a peep...anyone know anything?

Amy Argetsinger: Horrible! No idea. I think you're in the wrong chat for that. However, as a voracious newspaper reader with an appetite for violent crime, I don't recall hearing about any recent mass murders near George Washington's home. Maybe just a bad traffic accident? Sound familiar to anyone?

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Cameron Douglas' sentence: He was dealing, not just possessing or using. Seems like special treatment, but how much time will he actually serve?Michael Douglas's son sentenced.

Amy Argetsinger: Good question. No idea whether five years=five years there.

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Roxanne's standing advice: Mel Gibson clearly didn't follow Roxanne's advice regarding affairs. Only stray with a partner who has something to lose, too. Do you think Oksana Grigorieva will go to the highest bidder? I don't think she's Oprah material so should we look for a cover of OK!?

Amy Argetsinger: higher.

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Thanks!: I liked the piece you ran on how Dorothy Height wanted to always look her best! She had pride in a good way, without a doubt! We all owe her!

Amy Argetsinger: You're welcome. Charming, wasn't it?

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A Taste of D.C.: It looks like Kalpen got to experience a little of the real D.C. I've been held up twice in the 15 years I've lived in D.C. It's part of living in a urban area, but it's still no fun. Any other details about the heist?

Amy Argetsinger: He's apparently unscathed, but that's not necessarily much consolation -- stuff like that can scare the hell out of you. I read somewhere that they also got his White House-issued BlackBerry.

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MacArthur Park's cake's out in the rain. : Old Richard Harris tune.

Amy Argetsinger: Yes, and...

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Cake out in the rain: Did it take too long to bake it ?Will you ever have that recipe again ?Oh no !

Amy Argetsinger: You got it! Now, tell us what the hell it means?

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King: no, he is good at GETTING marries, not BEING married

Amy Argetsinger: Yeah, but the semantics were getting in the way of my hilarious joke.

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Maybe it's just me...: But Cameron Douglas looks like Chaz Bono and Mel's ex girlfriend looks like Octomom.

Amy Argetsinger: I think Chaz Bono is going for the Cameron Douglas look. The photo we ran online of Mel's ex is not her best -- she doesn't look like Octomom -- but it was the only one I could find with both him and her in it.

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DWTS missing Kate already!: Hi Amy and Roxanne, I boycott FOX, so am glad DWTS is beating American Idol in the ratings. Do you know why the actual scores aren't given? I voted for Kate 2x, just for the drama.

Amy Argetsinger: No idea why they don't give the actual scores, but I assume it's so they can rig the results as they please.

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Rocci Fisch: MacArthur Park lyrics.

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Janine Turner: She really looks like Marilyn Monroe in the photo you ran - blonde, pouffy hair, mole, etc.! Wow!

Amy Argetsinger:

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Horrible hair on Janine Turner: Who told her she looks good as a brassy blond? She looks terrible - garish and cheap, not professional at all.

Amy Argetsinger: Thanks for your vote.

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Celebvocate: Did you invent this word? Or does someone else get credit?

Amy Argetsinger: I think I invented it, though it's certainly possible that other great minds have conjured up a similar word and used it here and there. I vaguely remember Googling it the first time I was going to use it and not coming up with much.

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The ducklings: I noticed there's a video on the site this morning of some kindly folks helping the momma duck escort the ducklings across the street to Pershing Park. Didn't you guys cover this story before, complete with sad endings for all the little duckies (thanks to some other birds)? We're not going there again, are we?

Amy Argetsinger: We got ourselves involved in an adorable story a couple years ago about the ducklings that hatched outside the U.S. Trade Rep.'s office -- and then, of course, were compelled to keep with the story as they were getting picked off one by one by a killer swan. We pretty much vowed to never write anymore cute duckling stories, but then we got suckered in again by the Ritz-Carlton duck on Monday.

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American Idol: I'm relying on your guidance here for gambling purposes -- who is going home tonight?

Amy Argetsinger: I think the smarter thing to do is to crowd-source this one -- in part because I'm having a hard time remembering who is still on the show. What do you all think?

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Rocci Fisch: MacArthur Park lyrics.

Amy Argetsinger: Enjoy. They're very, very deep.

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Cake left out in the rain: One of the lines from the song McArthur Park, which I and my junior high school buddies spent HOURS discussing when we supposed to be doing our homework.

Amy Argetsinger: Ah, you're dating yourself. Richard Harris version, or Donna Summer version?

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Capitol Hill: I saw that Jessica Alba was expected to appear at the Capitol today, and was wracking my brain trying to figure out why we care what she says. I remember her making movies years ago, but really can't name one off the top of my head. Is she not more famous for being famous, or is she makig big movies and I'm just missing out on them

Amy Argetsinger: Valentine's Day? Wait, she was in it, wasn't she?

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Larry King: I was a little disturbed by that Tom Shales colum the other day saying that Larry King may be on his way out. He may have lost his fastball and get made fun of for his social life, but his show is still tremendous entertainment. You may get more informative interviews, but they are not as good. He should not be blamed that his rating are down compared to the propaganda shows aired on other cable TV networks.

Amy Argetsinger: I love Larry's show. It's the new vaudeville. It's like, terrorism experts, followed by Corey Feldman.

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I don't think that I can take it, 'cause it took so long to bake it...: Personally, I prefer the Donna Summers version...

Amy Argetsinger: Thanks for your vote.

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Cake in the rain: It doesn't mean a darn thing. It's an absurd lyric from a song so terrible that the disco remake was actually an improvement from the original because then, you could at least dance to it and not realize how awful it is.

Amy Argetsinger: Could you actually dance to that song?

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Kesha: Do you think that was a Gaga-like stab at artistic credibility by Kesha on SNL last weekend? It seems that the public perception of Gaga changed after she showed more musical chops than anyone expected last year. Kesha seemed to be aiming for the same thing. Didn't work. Gaga at least gives the appearance of having something to say. Kesha just wants to get drunk and brag about her swagger.

Amy Argetsinger: Jezebel.com had an interesting essay on the subject of Ke$ha's SNL performance. Link to follow, I hope. They felt kind of bad for her because clearly she was going for a Lady Gaga type out-there-ness, yet clearly was going through the motions, wasn't really Owning It.

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Mac Arthur Park: It's supposedly about love; the writer met his girlfriend in LA's MacArthur Park. I can't believe this godawful song won a Grammy; the end especially sounds like Shatner! Donna Summer's version was better.

Amy Argetsinger: Sounding like Shatner isn't a good thing?

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Yuck!: What kind of charisma could Larry King have? I know he's loaded but YUCK! I'd hate to have to get with that if you know what I mean.

Amy Argetsinger: No, you need to spell out for us what you mean.

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Cake out in the rain: Confused readers should google "Dave Barry worst song ever" for the scoop on this lovely turn of phrase. Personally, though, I liked the bit about "love's hot, fevered iron" and something with a striped pair of pants.

Amy Argetsinger: Thanks, will check it out later.

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Rocci Fisch: I'm Not Just a Little Pop Moron

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Idol: I'm new to this Americal Idol thing this year and have a question, as it seems you know this much more. Has Ryan Seacrest this unsufferable through the entire show's run? And if so, how did it stay on so long? I keep reading that he is getting worse, but wasn't sure what level of badness he started with.

Amy Argetsinger: He's gotten worse. I'd argue that he sort of used to be in on the joke, and now I'm not sure.

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Cameron Douglas: How does a cocaine/meth user stay chubby? Or did he only deal?

Amy Argetsinger: Good question.

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Kal Penn: Where exactly was Kal Penn when he was held up?

Amy Argetsinger: 15th and S streets NW.

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Celebvocate?: Celebvocate or Famesque -- what are you more proud of inventing?

Amy Argetsinger: I think celebvocate rolls off the tongue better, conveys the concept better, and has a better chance of catching on. Though I'm still trying to make both of them happen.

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Fortaleza, Brazil: Okay, it takes a while for some Hollywood films to get down here, and I was really bored, so I paid to see "The Bounty Hunter" the other day. My gosh, what a lousy, unoriginal film. Has Jennifer Aniston changed her hairstyle or clothes for any film since she divorced Brad? I've seen her in one film I really liked, "The Good Girl," and in that she did not wear her typical short/tight skirt, and have a different hairstyle, but since then she's seemed determined to be Rachel on "Friends" again. Mind you, I know she still makes lots of money, but did Brad ruin a great acting career?

Amy Argetsinger: This is the topic of my next doctoral dissertation. Though honestly, I saw "The Good Girl" recently and thought it was overrated.

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Cake in the Rain: If I keep reading these lyrics over and over, will it eventually make sense what you are talking about?

Amy Argetsinger: Hey, I don't know what it means! I'm asking you to tell me!

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cake out in the rain: is about a relationship ending ?

Amy Argetsinger: Maybe? All I know is, it's raining today, and the song is going through my head.

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American Idol: Aaron Kelly is going home.

Amy Argetsinger: Oh, he's still on the show? Yes, it's possible he's going home. And when he does, Tim Urban is going to blast off like a rocket, and become your next American Idol.

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Kal Penn: Well judging by where he was robbed at 1:30 a.m. one would think that he probably was coming from U Street? I remember hearing that he bought a place in Dupont, so was probably walking back. U Street is fun, but that area is still not exactly the safest to be strolling around in at nearly 2 a.m. by yourself. Always better to cab it or stick with a group.

Amy Argetsinger: He lives in the general Logan/Dupont area, but I think he's just renting.

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Dating myself: Richard Harris, of course. Now, I'll REALLY date myself by asking, "Donna Summer did a cover of McArthur Park?"

Amy Argetsinger: Ha.

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Marginal Man: Glad to see the Marginal Man mention in the column today. Hard to believe Kenny Inouye's a lobbyist now. Did you catch the pic of him in the Post sometime last week skateboarding?

Amy Argetsinger: No way, really? I'll have to go looking for it. That's great!

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MacArthur Park: It was written by Jimmy Webb, who was the go-to guy at one point for pop songs -- he wrote Galveston for Glen Campbell, among many other hits. In all honesty, given when it was first a hit, I thought it was about taking acid in a park in L.A. "MacArthur Park is melting in the dark, all the sweet green icing flowing down." It's hallucinatory--a man in a park at sunset believing that the trees are actually melting, like cake icing.

Amy Argetsinger: Really? I totally forgot that's the same guy. He also wrote one of the prettiest songs ever -- "Wichita Lineman." Was this in the column recently? Because I have a vague memory of Googling up some old videos of him performing the song himself. But that might have been some recreational Googling.

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Idol: Bowersox is going home. She must go home. She is awful.

Amy Argetsinger: Oh, but didn't you see how she CRIED at the end of her song last night? So faaaabulous. Hopefully next week she'll drop dead in a faint after she finishes singing, and America will just eat that up with a spoon. Hell, I'd vote for her.

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American Idol: You know, Tim Urban is growing on me. I'm starting to figure he might win the whole thing. And you know, I would not be upset about that.

Amy Argetsinger: He's suddenly the most distinctive voice in the competition. His weaknesses are his distinctions.

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Snarky: Wow, Amy. You've got your snark on today! You rock!

Amy Argetsinger:

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Jesse james 'bombshell' possible hit: I heard this morning that the Bomshell woman Jesse was involved with was trying to get a hit ordered for her husband and Sandra Bullock. Any word on this?

Amy Argetsinger: I think I heard that somewhere in the flotsam of web surfing a couple days ago and it was basically not true. But who knows anymore.

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Kal Penn raises a question: Who is the most famous person that was the victim of a street robbery ?

Amy Argetsinger: Can anyone think of stories they've heard about famous people getting held up? (I have the vague sense that I've heard at least one or two people go on David Letterman with the hilarious stories of their muggings.) If you can remember, email me at reliablesource@washpost.com. Don't want to deal with it in the chat because we're too busy here with Donna Summer lyrics and Janine Turner's hair.

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Idol: Crystal Bowersox is going to win, she's the only one with any real talent on the show. Everyone else is irritating, especially Siobhan Mangus...her whole contrived look...and her teeth and that lip gloss...and when they ask her a question she takes herself waaay too seriously...I hope she gets voted off..she has to go...(whew)!

Amy Argetsinger:

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Larry King: Has a viagra I.V.

Amy Argetsinger: And how do YOU know that?

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Celebriy Encounter in the 'Burbs: We had an enjoyable day at the office yesterday as Stevie Wonder was here with us in Reston all day. I work for a government contractor. Got photo proof and everything!

Amy Argetsinger: Well, tell me more! And send it to reliablesource@washpost.com. Stevie's here in D.C. all the time, but I'm curious to know what he was doing with Reston contractors.

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Kal Pen: Have I been living in D.C. for too long when I immediately thought of that gossip mag column -- "Stars! They're Just Like US!" I don't know anyone who's lived in the district for a period of time who hasn't been mugged, or know someone who was.

Amy Argetsinger: Just part of the landscape here.. .

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Your DWTS prediction?: Amy who do you think will win DWTS?

Amy Argetsinger: Um... do I need to have watched it to make a guess?

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Jennifer Anniston: I really liked her as Rachel, but wasn't Jennifer Aniston destined to have a Meg Ryan-type of career? One big hit, a few minor successes, then lots of what if questions?

Amy Argetsinger: I hope you're on the panel when I go in to defend my dissertation.

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Re: "Wichita Lineman": Check out the YouTube video of Keith Urban performing it with Glen Campbell. Urban graciously allows Campbell the spotlight for most of the song (it was at an Urban concert) and Campbell does a great job of singing it, 40 years down the road. Besides, you probably won't mind looking at Keith Urban while Glen sings.

Amy Argetsinger: Thanks, I'll check it out later. And for the rest of you -- this is my apology, and remedy, for getting "MacArthur Park" stuck in your head earlier.

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Dan Rather: Got mugged and that was the basis for the song by REM, "What's the frequency, Kenneth?"

Amy Argetsinger: Ah, good one.

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Jimmy Webb...: ... was asked what the song means and replied: "It means I'll never have to work another day in my life."

Amy Argetsinger: HA!

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Forget Idol: Who's your favorite to win Project Runway? Also, any more info on Top Chef DC?

Amy Argetsinger: Um... do I need to have watched to make a guess?I actually don't have much more info on Top Chef. They're doing a better job of staying low-profile (as opposed to two weeks ago when they invited everyone I know to a party and made them wait outside on Constitution Avenue). But if you hear anything, let me know at reliablesource@washpost.com

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Cake out in the rain: I don't know what it means, but it sure sounds like fake lyrics to some tune layng around, it had a nice sound to it, so they didn't bother writing real lyrics, and they've been laughing at all of us ever since?

Amy Argetsinger: Like when Paul McCartney came up with the melody to "Yesterday" in a dream, but couldn't figure out the lyrics, so just sang "Scrambled Eggs" instead -- but if he'd just kept "scrambled eggs" instead of eventually coming up with "yesterday."

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Mo'Nique: Any reason why Mo'Nique's brother would go public now? It just seems so awful, and odd to be admitting to such a thing so publicly.

Amy Argetsinger: she's spoken out about the abuse she suffered, and I guess he just wanted to have his say. But the timing does sort of feel like what happened with Sandra Bullock, post-Oscar.

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Let me know at Reliable source.com: Amy,With Rox sick, do you need help with your column ?

Amy Argetsinger: Yes. Send all tips and news suggestions to reliablesource@washpost.com.

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Kei$ha: If Ke$ha is the same blond pop tart, she did an interview with Scott Simon several weeks back and sounded charming and intelligent. So maybe her future is really in acting?

Amy Argetsinger: Is being charming and intelligent all you need for an acting career? I think I'm going to object to having you on the panel when I defend my doctoral dissertation.

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All the sweet green icing flowing down...: The guy who wrote the song proposed to his girlfriend in MacArthur Park, and she turned him down. The cake represents what would have been their wedding cake.No one said it was a GOOD metaphor.

Amy Argetsinger: in the room? I'm not so sure about this.

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Oksana Grigorieva...: ...like having celebrity babies. She already had a child with Timothy Dalton, remember him? Guess he wasn't high profile enough.

Amy Argetsinger: So, who's next?

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Kenny Inouye: Wait, is he the same Inouye who was in Minor Threat back in the heyday of punk D.C.?

Amy Argetsinger: Ken Inouye was in Marginal Man -- and is now a lobbyist and proud new dad. We were talking about him, because he's the son of Sen. Dan Inouye, who is happy to be a first-time grandfather.

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Full Circle: Okay Chefs, your quick challenge for today, Bake a Cake in the Rain and leave it there.

Amy Argetsinger: Is this my cue to wrap it up?

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Who's next for Oksana Grigorieva?: Well, obviously, it's Larry King.

Amy Argetsinger: I think I made that joke earlier in the hour. But it's been a long hour .

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Idol: Are you more likely to fall for Bowersox crying at the end or a song or Siobhan with her pateted "I just want to sing and love this song" phony answer that the crowd eats up?

Amy Argetsinger:

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Planning some celebrity sightings...: in Winchester, Va., for the Apple Blossom Festival April 30-May 1! This year we'll have Val Kilmer! Does this mean he's running for office in Virginia?

Amy Argetsinger: We can only hope. Try to sell him on some nice Shenandoah real estate while he's there.

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Project Runway: This season is getting to be as predictable as last season. It will be Emilio who wins. Although I think Seth Aaron should. His clothes are much more distinctive and stylish. But I'm really tired of the judges. They always choose the UGLIEST crap as the winning styles and the designers that can actually make clothes that people would wear are knocked down and told they suck. Ugh.

Amy Argetsinger: I'll take your word for it.

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The two reasons that Jennifer Aniston is still treated like a "star": Speaking as a guy, it's pretty clear that Jennifer Aniston isn't a real movie star, since none of her movies are ever hits (the last hit she was in was "Marley and Me" and the dog was the star there).The only two things she's got going for are her love life and her body and she teases us with both. She does all kinds of "almost nude" photo shoots in magazines and has a new boyfriend every six months, so the gossip mags can go through the cycle of "is He Jen's New Man?", "Is He The One?", "What's Wrong With Jen and Him?", "Jen and He Are Back!", "Jen and He Are Through!"...If she goes naked or gets married, she's through.

Amy Argetsinger: Google "famesque" if you want to read my earlier dissertation on the tragic stars who you've never seen in a movie but who are super-famous because of their personal lives.

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A: "It's the Same Song!": Q: What was Lisa Simpson's response to Homer agreeing to stop singing "MacArthur Park" only to start singing "Wichita Lineman"?

Amy Argetsinger: Oh, I disagree.

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the hour just seems long: because it's actually 74 minutes...

Amy Argetsinger: And counting.

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Are you really going for your doctorate ?: Brains and beauty, wow!

Amy Argetsinger: Er, no.

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Rocci Fisch: They Must Be Stars Because They Get So Much Press, but What Is It They Do Again?

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Inouye Marginal Man: Yes, of course. Marginal Man and Minor Threat were in the same circles. I always mix up their lineups.

Amy Argetsinger: Because if so, that's my favorite version.

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How exciting are your lives as Reliable Sources?: Do you have to go out to fancy events every night? Do you take sources to lunch and whisper? Do you ever follow people around? Besides getting tossed out of White House crashers' parties, anything newsworthy ever happen to you two?

Amy Argetsinger: Yes, yes, yes, and no: The honest truth is that the most exciting part of our lives is the hour -- or, say, 79 minutes -- we spend with you every week. Oh, and I mean it! Once again, it has been loads of fun, all because of you. I am going to wrap things up now, only to hasten the arrival of the moment when we meet again next week. Til then, stay in touch at -- oh, well, you know the address by now.


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