With Frank Ahrens
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, Dec. 19, 2000; 1 p.m. EST
Frank Ahrens covers radio for The Washington Post. His column -- "The Listener" -- appears every other Tuesday in the Style section. Frank is also a general assignment feature writer, and his reporting subjects have included everything from minivans to murders, from baseball to bandwidth.
If you're wondering about the inner workings of radio in Washington, around the country and on the Web, or want to know what Frank really thinks of minivans, then don't touch that dial . . . um, mouse! Please join us for this discussion!
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Frank Ahrens: Greetings, all, and welcome to today's off-week discussion.
First, a couple of news items:
1) Over the weekend, congress passed an appropriations bill with a low-power FM rider. When Clinton signs it, it will cut back by about 80 percent the number of low-power licenses the FCC can hand out. This is a major, major victory for the big broadcasters, NPR and the Reading Services for the Blind. Read more in tomorrow's Washington Post.
2) If you didn't see it in today's paper, WPGC is losing Big Tigger (Darian Morgan) to BET fulltime. He's been doing double duty for the past several months, hosting PGC's afternoon show and BET's "Rap City" TV show. Now that PGC owner Viacom/Infinity bought BET, it's all part of the same big family, Tigger wanted to go and PGC said, fine and good luck. He starts fulltime Jan. 15.
3) In response to Georgetown's questions last week: a) WRNR switched Damien's time slots to "freshen up the daily lineup," the station GM told me today. He, and I, don't know where John Hall has landed, if he's still in the area (suggestions would be helpful) and c) waiting for answer from WETA on your question about what has been the impact of WETA picking up the audio portion of "The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." Hope to have you an answer by the time we conclude.
Inasmuch as this is our last discussion before Christmas (those sentimentalists at washingtonpost.com.com aren't hosting chats next Monday or Tuesday), let me wish everyone a Happy Holidays.
Potomac, Md.: Typical ending to the "suspense" of the Howard Stern contract "saga." Why do people still buy into the hype? I was sick of listening to all of the chatter leading up to the final week. Although he has other projects, he depends on his radio show for everything else.
Frank Ahrens: You are entirely correct. Though he said, after he signed, he "swore on the life of his children" that it was not a stunt. In a way, he's probably right. I mean, I don't think he was deliberately drawing out the negotiations, but I do think he was going to sign eventually.
Alexandria, Va.: Frank,
Was listening to the Sonny, Frank and Sam calling the game on Saturday. Frank mentioned that Don Geranimo was in the hospital. Do you know what it was for? Frank did not elaborate beyond offering best wishes and I missed Don and Mike's show last week.
Thanks and keep up the good work.
Frank Ahrens: I am chasing this story. Don Geronimo has a kidney problem of some sort that required surgery. WJFK officials are reluctant to speak about it, telling me yesterday it is a private matter. Bullhooey, I responded. Don himself has talked about it on the air, thus making it a public issue. I told them that his listeners are concerned and want to know and they said they'd talk to Don and see if he'd call me and give me the details. I'm waiting.
Rockville, Md.: Frank,
What's the deal with Loo Katz? He vanished from MIX, did a one-time-only appearance on BIG and then...what? A couple weeks ago, someone asked about him joining WASH (possibly in mornings). Have you heard anything?
Frank Ahrens: Katz has not signed on fulltime with anyone else yet that I'm aware of, but I would not be surprised to see him show up at WASH, for instance, because the station ownership, Clear Channel, likes Katz's style v. much.
Alexandria, Va.: WTOP's commercials say they have added 820AM in Frederick -- I believe that is the station that broadcasts the minor-league Keys games during baseball season. What's up with that -- have they taken over completely?
Frank Ahrens: WTOP's owners, Bonneville, bought WXTR 820 AM in Frederick and simulcast the WTOP signal over it, getting their signal farther north. I can only assume the Keys got dumped. If I'm wrong, hopefully WTOP will check in this hour (about the Keys.)
Arlington, Va.: Hi Frank! Hey, the Junkies were saying last night that WJFK (and ostensibly the Redskins) put a halt to a promo they had planned to light a bonfire and burn all Skins and Wizards memorabilia.
On the same lines, the Skins tried to put a halt to Pittsburgh radio's use of the name "Redfaces" during the game broadcast by Myron Cope.
They also made channel 8 and channel 7 do their team broadcasts from outside Redskins park since they didn't pay the team a sum of money for rights to be inside.
Now, I know the team has all kinds of trademark and copyright issues with their name, their stadium, etc., but are they trying to generate some aura of infallibility here? Their actions hint that they believe (a) they must not be made fun of, they must be held in high reverence at all times, and (b) even though they are a Washington, D.C. institution and have been since 1936, they should have complete control of all the information about them disseminated to the public.
Given the PR nightmare that the Orioles have become (I still think losing Jon Miller was the worst of all Angelos's blunders), is anyone for the Redskins paying attention to how much they are alienating this city right now?
Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.
Frank Ahrens: Great tip about the kiboshing of the Junkies stunt. I listen to them frequently and heard them after the Redskins Steelers' loss saying frustrated fans should come down to the WJFK studio and burn their Redskins-Cardinals tix in protest. I thought it was a great idea. I'll call and ask what happened. Yes, WJFK is the official station of the REdskins, which means they've spent millions to get their broadcast rights. It would not surprise me if the Skins thought the Junkies idea was a bad one.
For the Steelers announcer's quip on Daniel Snyder, take a look at page C3 of today's Washington Post (Reliable Source) for a spit-take funny moment.
Speaking of inept ownership, Orioles honcho Syd Thrift was being interviewed on a Balto radio station during the winter meetings a week or so ago and someone called up and asked about Orioles minor-league prospect Gary Dell'Abate. Thrift said Dell'Abate was coming along well but it was unclear when he'd make the majors. The caller then tripped the prank, telling Thrift that Dell'Abate is Howard Stern's producer! This is sneaky, Spy Magazine gotcha pseudo-journalism, but it does a terrific job of exposing bullcrappers.
Rockville, Md.: I'm writing this early hoping to get in before the rush. First, my morning drive is horrible: both Imus and Stern on vacation. Do they always take this time of the year to have reruns? Afternoons are tough too. By the way, what's the deal with Don Geranimo? What type of surgery did he have and did he survive?
Frank Ahrens: Almost all the big radio hosts take off the last two weeks of the year because that's the only time every year when Arbitron doesn't measure listenership. In other words, stations could broadcast dead air and not get hurt in the ratings.
Arlington, Va.: Frank:
Since WTOP usually listens in, I was hoping you could pass along a question. What ever happened to Dave Johnson's reports on everyone's favorite minor league hockey team (the team in Macon, Ga.)? I miss those updates.
Frank Ahrens: I'll post it and we'll see...
Kevin, St. Louis, Mo.: The all-mighty, all-knowing Mr. Ahrens! I lived in the D.C. area for five years before moving to the St. Louis area recently and have since become addicted to your columns and online Q&A sessions. I'm a talk radio junkie and try to read as much as I can about the industry, but I have found your contribution to be above and beyond many other journalist's attempts to cover the medium. Anyway, let me get to my question... In my quest for new and different things to listen to, I was scanning across the AM dial here a few months ago and came across a D.C.-based Saturday night show done by Rhyan Jones. Periodically they refer to (and ridicule relentlessly) their syndicator, the "Radio America" Network... what do you know about this guy? Why didn't I ever hear about him when I lived in D.C.? This is one of the most original and legitimately LOL funny shows I've ever heard and I can't find a crumb of information about him. You've got to help me!! You 'da man!!
Frank Ahrens: Thanks for all the nice words. In return, here's a link:
Frank Ahrens: FYI: A little more information streaming in regarding the Junkies' idea to burn the Redskins tickets. Look at it this way: Each year, WJFK pays millions of dollars to get the rights to broadcast the Junkies. Right now, WJFK is in negotiations to get the rights to next season. I'm told that it was not the Redskins who quashed the Junkies idea, so it would be safe to assume that WJFK thought that their lads had gone just a bit too far in mocking a very, very, very important partner of WJFK's. Of course, you can look forward to the Junkies mocking WJFK management relentlessly.
Dee Cee (The Original): Dear Santa.. er, Frank --
Here is my wish list for this holiday season:
(1) WETA moves "Billy Taylor's Jazz at the Kennedy Center" to another time slot and thereby restores the first hour (8 p.m. Saturdays) of Mary Cliff's long-running Traditions show, which was cut to accommodate Dr. Taylor's show.
(2) WAMU gets rid of those stoooopid quiz shows that they run on Sunday afternoons and restore Dick Spottswood's roots music show to it's Sunday time slot from the late Saturday night time period; thereby, showing support locally produced and hosted programs instead of buying NPR's brokered shows.
(3) Based on his many years experience as a DJ, WARW allows Cerphe to have an hour a week when he can go "deep catalog" and play more obscure songs and talk about the history of rock & roll music.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS FRANK!!
Frank Ahrens: Good ideas all, Dee Cee. If I were Santa, I'd grant your wishes (I'm of mixed mind about the quiz shows...some weeks I like 'em, some weeks I don't).
At any rate, happy holidays back atcha.
U92 Dave: A while back, you asked for great songs about radio. I have a new one for you: Everclear's "AM Radio." Anybody that's somewhere near 40 that listened to late night AM rock-n-roll should recognize what the group is talking about. Everclear sampled a pretty cool tune for this song's beat, too.
Frank Ahrens: Thanks for the submission, Dave. I've heard the song and agree. A very fine local musician, and a friend of mine who works here at The Post called Peter Hayes (formerly of the High Backed Chairs) once wrote a song with the hook, "I miss you more with the AM on..."
NW D.C.: Frank --
As to the question of Don G's surgery being a "public matter" since he discussed it on the air -- he did -- why didn't you check on the details before the procedure, while the guys were still on the air?
IMHO, Don owes you nothing, like a return call. I imagine after major surgery the last thing anyone wants to do is talk to a reporter. You could have found out more if you listened at all to their show. That would have been "chasing" the story!! Please respond, and have a nice Xmas season.
Frank Ahrens: Lighten up, NW D.C. My take on it is this: He's mentioned it on the air, he's under the knife, I'm getting lots of e-mails, discussion questions about it, and I want to give the readers as many details as possible. That's it. And I'm sure Don would LOVE to talk to me...even talking to me has GOT to be less painful than a catheter.
Tenafly, N.J.: Hi. What's your take on this recent FM radio legislation that apparently is being nixed by Congress? Is it just another example of powerful corporate interests manipulating policy to favor their business interests at the expense of legislation that would benefit ordinary citizens?
Frank Ahrens: That's one way to look at it. Here's the way the sides break down in the low-power debate:
The Big Broadcasters, NPR and the Reading Services for the Blind opposed the FCC's low-power plan as it existed. It would have allowed the small stations (1,000 watts or less, a range of up to about 3.5 miles) to exist on what radio calls "third-adjacent channels." In other words, if big radio station WXYZ is at 90.1, then a low power station could be at 90.5, which is two spots over (the second adjacent channel). The opponents said, No, this will interfere with our signals.
The FCC and the low-power advocates say, No, they will not interfere. The opponents just don't want the new competition and they have leaned on their friends in congress to take away the FCC's policy-making ability in this most recent of legislation.
The new law says that the FCC can go ahead with the low-power program, but only after a certain testing period in 9, I believe, locations. Meanwhile, the FCC is poised to release the first low-power licenses. In short, it's a big mess. Further complicated by the fact that the FCC will be changing hands with the Bush administration.
Sterling, Va.: Keep the quiz shows!
I'm a near-constant WAMU listener, and though I don't care much which time slot each show airs in, I think that "Michael Feldman's What Do You Know" and "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" are fantastic additions to the programming, giving us the lighter side of being an educated, world-aware listener. They also are great opportunities to hear real, unrehearsed conversations with the NPR journalists that we hear doing hard news stories and analysis every day.
Frank Ahrens: Another precinct heard from...thanks.
Silver Spring, Md.: The reason given for Infinity programs not "airing" on the Net is that Mel K. won't agree to Web casting unless he can make money. When I listen to Tony Kornheiser on the Net, the spots are different from the ones airing over the radio, which, I assume, means that they are selling time over the Net. First, is that true? Second, if so, why can't Mel & Company simply sell time? While Net radio might not be huge yet, it seems like a terrific outlet for additional publicity, etc.
Frank Ahrens: Many times, Viacom/Infinity chief Mel Karmazin has looked smart in retrospect. This is one of them. For years, he has been saying: No streaming. Why should we give away our moneymaker for free? We won't do it until we can figger out a way to make money on it. Now, with the recent ruling that radio stations must pay additional rights fees for music they stream on their sites (for instance: If WXYZ plays a Limp Bizkit song on the air and streams it on their Web site simultaneously, they have to rights for each use, not just for over the air, as it had been), and, most importantly, made the ruling retroactive, there's no telling how much stations that have streamed their audio will have to pay.
And yes, there is technology readily available that lets stations sell the same ad space twice: one ad can appear on the over-the-air broadcast while at the same time, a different ad can appear on the Internet stream of that broadcast. Radio stations think it's a good way to target listeners in a sharper fashion.
Lots of long answers today....I'll try to be pithy from now on.
Greenbelt, Md.: Gen-X-Gurl here.....
Fresh off: labs, classes and exams that conflict with what is REALLY important in life -- PLAYING WITH YOU FRANKIE POO!
You have written some interesting columns of late. Strong writing and very informative.
Couple of things.
1. Hey TOP! The banter on your morning drive guys is really starting to sound a lot lame and even more contrived and strained. There is nothing wrong with being an all news station that you have to work at yukking it up.
2. MAL...you don't get off the hook either. Gadds, can either of your drive slots try harder to lose the 18-30 demographics? Snore and Snorer in the AM and Chris Bore in the PM. Get Core a female co-host everyone can play nicely with and go for it.
3. TEM...other than Thompson and Co, what do you really have? I mean, you are a syndicated station with no real local tie-ins show wise. Put Doc on by himself. Cut an hour out of Rome and Kornheiser to do it.
4. FM Feel better Don G. no criticisms until you get back on your feet. Our prayers are with you, even the non fans like me.
5. Frankie my poo-bear..... come under this mistletoe....SMACK with a dead on, hot XMAS kiss for an old friend (yes lawyers, you can keep on guessing). And just for the lawyers, since you dared me last time Frank with the Audrey Hepburn analogy about the girl you allege to date. In picturing me, think of Nicole Kidman but 30 pounds lighter.
Your thoughts and comments on all this dear man of my radio dreams.
Frank Ahrens: Oh. My. God.
If I hadn't power lost my sentences to form, wish I would Gurl X Gen the Christmas Merry.
From Deep in Airwaves-land: Not to get all First Amendment-y or anything, but the Redskins' attempt to silence Myron Cope in Pittsburgh is beyond outrageous. It may be actionable! How about an Ahrens-led effort to raise money for the Cope Case. Hey, if Clinton can do it.....
Frank Ahrens: I'm actually an old fan of Myron Cope, since I went to school just down the road from Pittsburgh at WVU. Picture the best old-guy New Yawk sounding guy you can think of, then say Myron's signoff line: "This is Myron Cope, ON sports!"
For those of you who don't know the story, here it is: Cope is a legendary radio broadcaster and has been doing Steelers games for 31 years. He takes license. He calls the Cincinnati Bengals "the Bungles," and so on. He was calling the woeful Redskins "the Redfaces" and one of Snyder's minions came INTO COPE'S BOOTH WHILE HE WAS BROADCASTING and asked him to stop it. Cope's quote in the next day's Pittsburgh paper about the incident, which we have reprinted in today's Reliable Source, was delightful:
"If that boy billionaire thinks he can shut me up, he should stick his head in a can of paint."
What a great old-guy insult! "Can of paint!" Where does that COME from?
New Bern, N.C.: Just a quickie. I want to correct the previous post re LPFM. You wrote 1000 watts, but I think you meant to write 100 watts. You think there was a stink over LPFM before, the NAB and NPR would have had a stroke if it were 1000 watts ERP.
Frank Ahrens: Yes, New Bern, thanks for catching me. The FCC earlier proposed 1,000 watt stations but everyone agreed those would interfere. You're right...the highest low-power wattage is 100 watts (still same broadcast distance, that part I got right).
18th & M: Re: JUNKIES -- They have said that they will not prevent fans from coming down to the station to tear up their Redskins tickets, but they can no longer promote "Tear Up Ticket Thursday" as mandated by the Redskins flagship station. Quite frankly, I'm surprised the station has gone this far, given that the tone of recent post-game shows (parts of which the Junkies host) has become quite venomous, with no-holds-barred shots at the team. It's odd that the station lets that slide while ixnaying the Junkies promotion.
Frank Ahrens: Groovy. Thanks for the update. I usually listen to the Junks about two to three nights a week, but missed last night (went to go see "Hard Day's Night," which is the most fun I've had at a movie in a looooong time. At least since "Platoon." Hahaha! Ahem.)
Willie Waffle, WMAL-AM 630: Hello Frank!
Sorry to say, but sounds like Gen X Gurl hasn't been listening to WMAL much lately. Chris Core often includes our Afternoon News Anchor Susan Monday when discussing topics. Susan has turned out to be very personable, knowledgeable and funny. They get along great and the show benefits from it.
Frank Ahrens: Actually, I think Gen X Gurl may be bucking for the former Brooke Stevens slot...
Get a room....: Frank --
I would recommend standing outside in the snow for a couple of hours.
Frank Ahrens: !!!!!!!
Montgomery County, Md. -- SNOWING!: Re: The Junks and the Skins. Why would WJFK veto this idea, when on the same station, Don and Mike have torn the team to shreds, most recently over the firing of Norv. Which included some brilliant parody by Mike as Norv and Don asking really burning questions about "Napolean" a.k.a. Snyder. Why the double standard by JFK management?
Frank Ahrens: Maybe there is some truth to that George Orwell line from "Animal Farm:" "Some pigs are more equal than others."
In Snowy Fairfax...: Frank --
DCRTV.com has info about Geronimo's kidney issue.
BTW -- Loved the article about the passing of the Oldsmobile name. Funny, GM put a lot into improving the quality, etc., of Chevy, Buick & Caddy, but they really did leave Olds out in the cold. What did your dad end up buying the last time around??
Frank Ahrens: Dad has refused to part with his 1990 Oldsmobile 88. They will bury him in it, I suspect. Or both him and my mother, the way he's driving these days...
Bowie, Md.: Frank,
Have you heard any follow-up to the McDonald's chicken-head story?
Frank Ahrens: Chicken Head!
Story of the century, in my mind.
Last I head, the McDonald's in question wanted the Chicken Head to "test" it, whatever that means, but the woman was refusing to relinquish it.
Washington, D.C.: Big Frank:
Returning to the unresolved debate concerning low-power radio stations -- I'm all for this sort of thing and the community development benefits it can bring, but maybe its opponents have point in that these small transmitters can interfere with other stations. I walk around D.C. and Rockville with my little FM walkman and I can't listen to 106.7 because 106.5 bleeds over it and I can't listen to 99.1 because 99.5 bleeds over it. So if there was a low-power transmitter in, say, Adams Morgan near where I live transmitting at like 88.3 or something, then I might not be able to get NPR any longer. Or maybe I just have a cheap radio. I bet that "airless cubicle" dude might have some insights on this. Thanks.
Frank Ahrens: It's a legit issue because radio signals are not neat. As one engineer once told me, "Just because your signal is supposed to go out 20 miles doesn't mean it stops dead there." They are subject to atmospheric conditions, solar flares, all sorts of galactic weirdness. Even strong gusting winds can shake a transmitter tower and alter its signal's direction. That's why this low-power idea is unimpeachable in theory, tricky in application. Imagine if you will a garden thick with big shrubs of varying sizes (assume they don't grow, but do get shoved around by wind, snow, etc), with a little space in between the shrubs. Now, you want to plant small shrubs in-between. But wait: None of the shrubs can touch! Tricky, right?
Rockville, Md.: Frankie Baby (not Santa Baby)! Why would Don Geronimo talk to you when he knows there will be a large percentage of people listening to hear if and when he returns from surgery? I suspect even though it sounded like a serious procedure, and he did actually lowball it on the air, he's no different than Stern or any other on air jock. Why let people read about it when they can hear it first hand on the radio? Of course, Imus broadcasted from a hospital when he was hospitalized. But I think he (don) scheduled this during the long vacation so as not to miss any time.
Frank Ahrens: Because Don secretly loves me?
Washington, D.C.: Not really a question -- I just heard that Kirsty MacColl died. She sang "There's a Guy Works Down The Chip Shop Swears He's Elvis" -- an old WHFS favorite.
Frank Ahrens: I just looked at a Web site of hers which said she has died in a "holiday accident in Mexico." She was 41.
Washington, D.C. : Hi Frank. Since WGAY AM-1260 is going to be changing formats soon, can you tell us if there's (any) other place on D.C. radio to hear big band/easy listening/pop vocals music on?
By the way, I'm a 29-year-old woman, and I love hearing those old standards that my dad (R.I.P.) used to listen to. I wish there was some way to convince D.C. radio programmers that there (is) still a market for this sort of thing (small though that market is, and I guess that's the real problem with corporate radio!).
Frank Ahrens: In a word, No. The best you're gonna find for old-timey radi now is Ed Walker's "Big Broadcast," which airs Sunday nights on WAMU. But that's just old-time radio shows...not the standards you (and I) like. One more bit of proof that, if you're over 55 and like music, commercial radio hates you.
Dex, San Francisco, Calif.: The only reason the FCC became interested in low-power FM was the preponderance of pirate FM stations. They saw that the only was to control them was to legitimize and regulate them, which is a reasonable approach (it's hard to say how successful they would be).
Unfortunately, we know how short-sighted and self-interested our politicians are (particularly the right wing, not to get too partisan, but let's face it). The short-term effect of their foolish decision will be MORE UNLICENSED RADIO STATIONS. Stupid. Is it a surprise? No...look at how they run elections.
Frank Ahrens: Indeed. I think you're right. I think there will be an explosion of pirate radio, because a) the FCC got thousands of inquiries from people who were interested in setting up a low-power FM stations and b) you can do it illegally pretty cheaply and pretty easily. There's a problem for the next FCC chairman/woman...
Upper Marlboro, Md.: Frankie:
Know you probably didn't hear it, but the day after the "McChicken Head" story broke, Don and Mike nearly made me pull my car off when they called the very Mcdonald's in question and said they had found a baby's hand in their Big Mac! Funny and topical stuff. Get well soon Don!
More McChicken head news, please!!
Frank Ahrens: How about that...once again, Don & Mike follow A-herns!
20006: Was that Platoon joke a reference to Naked Gun? If so, well done! That's one of the funniest gags in movie history.
Frank Ahrens: Very good! Terrific scene: Leslie Nielsen and Priscilla Presley walk out of a movie theater laughing so hard they're in tears. What a wonderful funny movie it must have been! Camera moves back to show theater's marquee: PLATOON.
The Airless Cubicle: Hi, Frank. I'm out of my case of my annual simultaneous Christmas Blues, Arthritis, and Flu Attack.
I wish Don Geronimo the best and swiftest recovery possible. I don't like Don and Mike's program, but I've been in pain and sick.
My Christmas wishes?
Another station in the Washington, D.C./Baltimore area carrying more classic country music, not the Garthified stuff. (I am listening to Spinner.com and have discovered my Inner Hillbilly.)
A restoration of all of "Performance Today" on WETA.
That the FCC starts working on technical enforcement, and stations stick to power restrictions, modulation, and other minor stuff, the want of which makes a signal too poor to hear.
Live radio drama somewhere on the radio.
That local stations start carrying some of the good international programming such as Radio Netherland's free-to-air material, (You can get it off the ASTRA satellite, GM's), and that the CBC puts its AM signal back on the air to be heard this side of the border.
That Frank Ahrens win the Pulitzer.
Dubya the Original.
Frank Ahrens: Accept no imitators!
Am glad to hear from you this during this holiday chat.
Speaking of your Inner Hillbilly, my friend Cassie used to run a radio show in rural Kentucky (redundant?). She called herself "Little Debbie." It was the "best of hillbilly, rockabilly and y'allternative." Genius.
Best of holidays to you, and to Mrs. Airless Cubicle.
Laurie: Yeesh -- Snyder encourages the FedEx Announcer to insult the Ravens & their fans AND has the nerve to silence the Steelers' own guy!!!! What a Schmuck. He needs to go to the Rooney Family School of Football Ownership.
Frank Ahrens: Word, sister. Word.
Happy holidays, Laurie.
Washington, D.C., 20007:
We're losing 1260? Ohmigod! What's it changing to (please spare us another chat show).
Greatest GAY memory: wall-to-wall Sinatra the day he died....
Frank Ahrens: Yes...check out my story in WashPost of 12/13.
Frank Ahrens: To everyone: That's going to wrap up this holiday edition of Radio Talk. Thanks to everyone who signed in; sorry Geotown that I didn't get your WETA answer this hour, but will keep after it.
There is no discussion next week (Dec. 26) nor is there a discussion the following week! (Jan. 2), so I'll see you guys Jan. 9. I hope everyone has a great holiday season and I'll see you then.
(If you get the DTs over the next couple of weeks, read my archives.) And if you have pressing questions, always feel free to e-mail me at: email@example.com.)
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