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THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS
Dec. 10: Morning Motions

  • More Transcripts From the Hearings

  • By Federal News Service
    Thursday, December 10, 1998

    REP. HYDE: The committee will be in order. Pursuant to notice, the committee will come to order to consider schedule business. Today we will hear presentations from Abbe Lowell and David Schippers, and we will then consider articles of impeachment and members will make opening statements. So we have a full long day.

    Before I recognize the majority and minority counsels for their presentation, I must make the following unanimous consent request which will allow both the chief Democratic investigative counsel and the chief Republican investigative counsel to thoroughly brief the committee. So without objection, I will make a unanimous consent request that refers to materials held in executive session. So without objection, so ordered. I ask --

    REP. : Mr. Chairman?

    REP. HYDE: I ask unanimous consent --

    REP. ZOE LOFGREN (D-CA): I object.

    REP. HYDE: -- that -- pardon?

    REP. LOFGREN: I object.

    REP. HYDE: Who's speaking? Ms. Lofgren.

    REP. LOFGREN: I object.

    REP. HYDE: You object to the unanimous consent request. Mr. Sensenbrenner.

    REP. JAMES SENSENBRENNER (R-WI): Mr. Chairman, pursuant to Clause 2(g)(1) of House Rule 11, I move to go into executive session to consider releasing certain executive session materials deemed necessary by the Democratic and Republican chief investigative counsels for their presentation.

    REP. HYDE: The clerk will call the roll. You have heard the motion.

    CLERK: Mr. Sensenbrenner.

    REP. SENSENBRENNER: Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Sensenbrenner votes aye. Mr. McCollum.

    REP. BILL MCCOLLUM (R-FL): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. McCollum votes aye. Mr. Gekas.

    REP. GEORGE GEKAS (R-PA): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Gekas votes aye. Mr. Coble.

    REP. HOWARD COBLE (R-NC): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Coble votes aye. Mr. Smith.

    REP. LAMAR SMITH (R-TX): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Smith votes aye. Mr. Gallegly.

    REP. ELTON GALLEGLY (R-CA): Aye.

       


    CLERK: Mr. Gallegly votes aye. Mr. Canady.

    REP. CHARLES CANADY (R-FL): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Canady votes aye. Mr. Inglis.

    REP. ROBERT INGLIS (R-SC): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Inglis votes aye. Mr. Goodlatte.

    REP. ROBERT GOODLATTE (R-VA): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Goodlatte votes aye. Mr. Buyer.

    REP. STEVE BUYER (R-IN): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Buyer votes aye. Mr. Bryant.

    REP. ED BRYANT (R-TN): Mr. Bryant votes aye. Mr. Chabot.

    REP. STEVE CHABOT (R-OH): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Chabot votes aye. Mr. Barr.

    REP. BOB BARR (R-GA): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Barr votes aye. Mr. Jenkins.

    REP. BILL JENKINS (R-TN): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Jenkins votes aye. Mr. Hutchinson.

    REP. ASA HUTCHINSON (R-AR): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Hutchinson votes aye. Mr. Pease.

    REP. ED PEASE (R-IN): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Pease votes aye. Mr. Cannon. Mr. Rogan.

    REP. JAMES ROGAN (R-CA): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Rogan votes aye. Mr. Graham.

    REP. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Graham votes aye. Ms. Bono.

    REP. MARY BONO (R-CA): Aye.

    CLERK: Ms. Bono votes aye. Mr. Conyers.

    REP. JOHN CONYERS (D-MI): No.

    CLERK: Mr. Conyers votes aye.

    REP. HYDE: He voted no.

    CLERK: Mr. Conyers votes no. Mr. Frank. Mr. Schumer. Mr. Berman. Mr. Boucher. Mr. Nadler.

    REP. JERROLD NADLER (D-NY): No.

    CLERK: Mr. Nadler votes no. Mr. Scott.

    REP. BOBBY SCOTT (D-VA): No.

    CLERK: Mr. Scott votes no. Mr. Watt.

    REP. MELVIN WATT (D-NC): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Watt votes aye. Ms. Lofgren.

    REP. LOFGREN: No.

    CLERK: Ms. Lofgren votes no. Ms. Jackson-Lee.

    REP. SHEILA JACKSON-LEE (D-TX): No.

    CLERK: Ms. Jackson-Lee votes no. Ms. Waters.

    REP. MAXINE WATERS (D-CA): No.

    CLERK: Ms. Waters votes no. Mr. Meehan.

    REP. MARTY MEEHAN (D-MA): No.

    CLERK: Mr. Meehan votes no. Mr. Delahunt.

    REP. WILLIAM DELAHUNT (D-MA): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Delahunt votes aye. Mr. Wexler.

    REP. ROBERT WEXLER (D-FL): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Wexler votes aye. Mr. Rothman.

    REP. STEVE ROTHMAN (D-NJ): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Rothman votes aye. Mr. Barrett.

    REP. THOMAS BARRETT (D-WI): Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Barrett votes aye. Mr. Hyde.

    REP. HYDE: Aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Hyde votes aye.

    REP. HYDE: The gentleman from Massachusetts.

    REP. BARNEY FRANK (D-MA): (Off mike.)

    CLERK: Mr. Frank votes aye. Mr. Chairman, there are 26 ayes and seven nos.

    REP. CONYERS: Mr. Chairman?

    REP. HYDE: The gentleman from Michigan. The gentleman wishes to change his vote to aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Conyers is recorded as an aye.

    REP. HYDE: Mr. Meehan.

    REP. MEEHAN: I want to change my vote to aye.

    CLERK: Mr. Meehan is recorded as an aye.

    REP. HYDE: Are there anybody who -- anyone else wish to change their vote? Does Mr. Berman wish to vote?

    REP. HOWARD BERMAN (D-CA): Aye.

    REP. HYDE: Mr. Berman votes aye. The clerk will report.

    CLERK: Mr. Chairman, there are 29 ayes and five nos.

    REP. HYDE: And the motion is agreed to. The unauthorized people --

    REP. NADLER: Mr. Chairman?

    REP. HYDE: -- will have to leave the room. We'll have to pull the plugs on the cameras.

    REP. NADLER: Mr. Chairman?

    REP. HYDE: Yes, Mr. Nadler.

    REP. NADLER: I'd like to make my usual motion that the text of the motions and the ayes and nays during the executive session --

    REP. HYDE: The gentleman is not recognized for that purpose. The motion has carried --

    REP. NADLER: Mr. Chairman, I think I was recognized.

    REP. HYDE: Well, you're unrecognized. The motion has carried. We now must go into executive session. And all unauthorized people --

    REP. NADLER: Mr. Chairman --

    REP. HYDE: -- will leave the room and we'll pull the plugs on the lights and the cameras.

    REP. NADLER: Point of order, Mr. Chairman.

    REP. : We're not in session.

    REP. NADLER: Point of order, Mr. Chairman.

    REP. : We're not in session.

    (Committee goes into executive session.)

    REP. HYDE: The committee will come to order. I wonder if we could get the doors closed. Now, the chair would like to announce that what we plan to do today is first hear from Mr. Abbe Lowell, the chief investigative counsel for the minority. His presentation will take about two hours, I am informed. There is no time limit. Whatever time he wishes, he may have.

    If it is two hours or so, we will then take a lunch break, and at 2:00 Mr. Schippers, David Schippers, the chief investigative counsel for the majority, will make a similar presentation; that is to say, a summing up of where we are and what the evidence is and what positions they believe we should adapt -- adopt, rather. That should take two hours also; again, without any firm time line.

    When that is over, both presentations are made, we will then go into a markup session on articles of impeachment. Now, preliminary to the actual markup, we will have opening statements. And throughout this process, we have been limiting opening statements to Mr. Conyers and myself simply because of the crowded agenda that we have. But now that we're reaching the culmination of this committee's role in this impeachment issue, I think it's appropriate that the members have an opportunity to make an opening statement of some duration. And so we have determined that 10 minutes for each member, which could consume as much as six hours or more, but it is appropriate that the members be able to make a significant opening statement before we get into the actual markup; that is, the consideration of amendments, if any, and the vote on the articles of impeachment.

    So the schedule will be Mr. Abbe Lowell, lunch, Mr. Schippers, opening statements. If we don't finish those tonight -- and I can't imagine we will -- we will come back tomorrow morning at 9:00 and we will conclude the opening statements. Then the articles of impeachment will be open for amendment at any point, as in any markup, and we will continue with that.

    There is a resolution of censure text that has been circulated, and it is my intention that we will debate and consider that after we have finished with the resolution of impeachment and voted on that up or down. And there may be several votes on that, because I believe there are four articles. So that's a general outline of where we are and where we're headed, so people who need to make plans can make them.

    REP. SCOTT: Mr. Chairman?

    REP. HYDE: Who's seeking recognition? Mr. Scott.

    REP. SCOTT: Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Chairman.

    REP. HYDE: State your inquiry.

    REP. SCOTT: Mr. Chairman, I've had a motion pending for some time. I was wondering if you could inform me when it might be in order.

    REP. HYDE: Well, the gentleman was really never recognized for that motion. It really is out of order now. I'd like to proceed with the hearing as we have noticed it up, which is with Mr. Lowell.

    REP. SCOTT: Well, Mr. Chairman --

    REP. HYDE: You and I can, maybe over the lunch hour, talk some more about it.

    REP. SCOTT: Well, the motion has been pending. Are you ruling it out of order, or it's not in order totally, or is it not in order now?

    REP. HYDE: Well, it's not in order now, although if the gentleman wants to be heard, I will -- I'll yield to Mr. Conyers.

    REP. CONYERS: Could we meet immediately after this presentation with the chairman about --

    REP. SCOTT: I would be delighted to.

    REP. CONYERS: -- a motion that I advocated very strongly yesterday?

    REP. SCOTT: I thought that the last time this came up that it would definitely come up, and I thought that you and the chairman had agreed.

    REP. CONYERS: Yes, sir. We had --

    REP. SCOTT: And I would just like to just note that it is still pending.

    REP. CONYERS: Yes, sir.

    REP. SCOTT: And whenever the chairman is willing to take it up, we can take it up.

    REP. CONYERS: Thank you.

    REP. HYDE: What we can do is after lunch, I'll recognize you for making a motion and we'll get a vote on it. All right? Mr. Nadler. Yes, Mr. Nadler.

    REP. NADLER: Mr. Chairman, I just think --

    REP. HYDE: What could you possibly want?

    REP. NADLER: I just think it would be appropriate to announce in open session what the committee decided in executive session, before Mr. Lowell started --

    REP. HYDE: Well --

    REP. NADLER: -- that the motion was approved (with an amendment?).

    REP. HYDE: I don't know how interested people are, but we -- the motion -- my motion was ultimately agreed to, and the motion to divide was withdrawn. And so that was the result.

    REP. FRANK: Well, Mr. Chairman, there's always a great deal of suspense as to whether or not motions you make will be approved by this committee, and we didn't want to keep people in that suspense. (Laughter.)

    REP. HYDE: I suppose you're right. I haven't given that a lot of thought. In any event, at long last, we're at the point where we will hear from the chief investigative counsel of the Democratic minority, Mr. Abbe Lowell. Mr. Lowell.

       



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