THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS
Dec. 10: Chairman Hyde Makes Amendments to the Resolution
By Federal News Service
REP. HYDE: The committee will come to order. (Sounds gavel.)
(Long pause, followed by sounding of the gavel.)
The committee will once more come to order.
The committee will now consider a Resolution Exhibiting Articles of Impeachment. The chair will recognize the gentleman from Wisconsin for the purpose of making a motion, but first I want to announce -- make a short statement.
There is one difference between the draft articles that were distributed yesterday, at the request of Mr. Conyers and the Democratic members of the committee, and the resolution I'm introducing that you have before you. You will note that each page of the draft resolution contained the words "Discussion/working draft only; subject to change pending evidentiary presentations."
Article II, paragraph 2, accuses the president of making perjurious, false and misleading statements in his deposition in the Jones case. In that paragraph which describes the alleged perjurious statements he made, on page one, lines 14 to 16, the following words have been inserted, quote, "his knowledge of" --
REP. : What line are you on, Mr. Chairman?
REP. HYDE: On page four, lines 14 to 16 --
REP. : Where does the insertion begin?
REP. HYDE: I'm not sure.
(To staff) Where does the insert begin?
STAFF: In the middle of line 13, after the comma.
REP. HYDE: In the middle of line -- after the comma.
Quote, "His knowledge of that employee's involvement and participation in the civil rights action brought against him," close quote.
I have determined that this gives an even more accurate description of the types of alleged perjurious statements made by the president. This is the only substantive change from the draft articles.
REP. BARNEY FRANK (D-MA): Parliamentary -- the one I have -- parliamentary inquiry. Then the one that's dated December 10th, those words are already in it, is that correct?
REP. HYDE: Yes, I'm told they are.
REP. FRANK: Because it looked funny with them in it twice. Okay.
REP. HYDE: Yeah, that's right.
All right. Legislative counsel has made some technical changes, such as adding commas and capitalizing some words, but that's the only change.
All right, the chair recognizes the gentleman from Wisconsin for purposes of making a motion.
REP. JAMES SENSENBRENNER (R-WI): Mr. Chairman, I move the resolution's favorable recommendation to the House.
REP. HYDE: The clerk will report the resolution.
CLERK: Resolved, that William Jefferson Clinton --
REP. HYDE: Excuse me for second, Mr. Clerk. Do you want -- shall we read the entire -- do you want it all read, or shall we -- (confers off mike) --
All right, I ask unanimous consent that the reading of the articles be dispensed with. Without objection, so ordered, and each member will have ten minutes to make an opening statement. After opening statements, the proposed articles shall be considered as read and open to amendment. Each proposed article and any additional article, if any, shall be separately considered for amendment and immediately thereafter voted upon as amended for the recommendation to the House if any article has been agreed to. The original motion shall be considered as adopted, and the chairman shall report to the House said resolution of impeachment together with such articles as have been agreed to.
We are now ready to -- (cross talk) -- without objection, so ordered.
The gentleman from North Carolina.
REP. WATT: And I don't intend to object. I would just like to have you read that again so that I make sure I understand what the process is going to be.
REP. HYDE: Without objection, each member shall have ten minutes to make an opening statement. After opening statements, the proposed articles shall be considered as read and open to amendment. Each proposed article and any additional article shall be separately considered for amendment and immediately thereafter voted upon as amended for recommendation to the House if any article has been agreed to. The original motion shall be considered as adopted, and the chairman shall report to the House said resolution of impeachment together with such articles as have been agreed to.
REP. WATT: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
REP. FRANK: A statement of parliamentary inquiry?
REP. HYDE: The gentleman from Massachusetts.
REP. FRANK: What -- I didn't mean to interrupt the unanimous consent. Have you gotten the unanimous consent?
REP. HYDE: I believe we have.
REP. FRANK: Okay, then I just -- for purposes -- for scheduling for members, members can then know -- because I -- this is going to be a long process, and members need not be here, I would hope to listen to each of us do our statements.
So members can know, we're going to begin the 10-minute opening statements now --
REP. HYDE: Right.
REP. FRANK: -- proceed, some members could then estimate that they wouldn't be needed for a while. And am I correct, if we do get through all the opening statements tonight, that's all we will do, so that we will not be --
REP. HYDE: That is absolutely right.
REP. FRANK: So that once members have given their opening statement, they --
REP. HYDE: Mark up will start tomorrow, under any circumstance.
REP. FRANK: -- members can calculate when they might be called on to give the opening statement and wouldn't necessarily have to stay around until the very last opening statement, other than the chairman, of course.
REP. HYDE: Yes, the chairman is stuck -- has the benefit of hearing all of these opening statements.
REP. COBLE: Mr. Chairman -- Mr. Chairman?
REP. HYDE: At 10 minutes each, that's a six-hour, with luck, process. Just a minute -- I am hearing voices. (Laughter.)
REP. COBLE: Over here.
REP. HYDE: Mr. Coble?
REP. COBLE: Mr. Chairman, I want to just extend Mr. Frank's comment. I assume that -- well, strike that. Does the chair plan to take all opening statements tonight?
REP. HYDE: The chair is going to play it by ear. The chair figures 9:00ish, 10:00ish, let's see how far along we are. I'd like to get the bulk of them over so tomorrow morning if we have any left over, we can dispose of them at 9:00 a.m., moving quickly along so that we can finish our work tomorrow.
REP. COBLE: Thank you, sir.
REP. SCOTT: Mr. Chairman?
REP. HYDE: Yes sir, Mr. Scott?
REP. SCOTT: We had previously requested information from Mr. Starr. Do we anticipate getting that information before we have to start the mark up?
REP. HYDE: We'll make inquiry. I don't know the answer to that, but we'll try to find an answer.
REP. SCOTT: Well, we can speed it along with a subpoena, if necessary.
REP. HYDE: I understand, I understand. Mr. Conyers and I would have to agree on that, though, you understand.
REP. CONYERS: Which I agree to. (Laughter.)
REP. HYDE: All right. We're ready for opening statements and Mr. Sensenbrunner is recognized.
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