The evidence in the case of U.S. v. Ingmar Guandique
The voices in evidence: Condit, Palmer, Guandique
Ingmar Guandique, 29, is on trial in D.C. Superior Court, charged with killing intern Chandra Levy, who disappeared in 2001 and whose remains were found in 2002 in Rock Creek Park (full coverage). At the time of her disappearance, Levy had been having an affair with California congressman Gary Condit, and for a time Condit was a suspect, which sparked a media frenzy in the nation's capital. Investigators eventually discounted Condit as a suspect, but it was not until last year that they charged Guandique, who had been convicted of attacking other women in Rock Creek Park in the summer of 2001.
Since late last month, a jury has been hearing evidence in the case against Guandique. But until now, the judge in the case, Gerald I. Fisher, has refused to provide access to the exhibits in the case, as attorneys for the news media contend Fisher must. After a First Amendment challenge by The Washington Post, the Associated Press, Gannett and the Reporters Committee for the Freedom of the Press, the judge has begun providing access to some of the exhibits, starting with several audio recordings that have been played in court.
The first recordings are messages left by Condit on Levy's answering machine in May 2001. The next recording is of the 911 call placed by the man who found Levy's remains in 2002. And the final recording is of a call Guandique placed from a prison to a woman who had agreed to be his pen pal but changed her mind after he told her about a dead girl.
“Sorry, I’ve been tied up for the last few days.”
Gary Condit
Chandra Levy is thought to have disappeared May 1, 2001, not long before she was to travel home to California. Before leaving Washington, Levy was supposed to meet up with the man she had been having an affair with, congressman Gary Condit, whose liaisons with the 24-year-old intern made him an early suspect in her disappearance. Levy had wanted to talk to Condit about her interest in a career in law enforcement or intelligence.
When he called, Condit was trying to catch Levy and set up a time to meet before she left for California, he testified this month at Guandique’s trial. But the meeting never took place. On May 2 or May 3, Condit left two messages for Levy on the answering machine at her 21st Street NW apartment, he has testified. In the first, he was trying to arrange a time to meet. In the second, he was assuming, having not heard back from Levy, that she'd already left Washington.
Below are audio recordings of the answering machine messages, first played in public in D.C. Superior Court.
“Are you sure?”
Police dispatcher
For more than a year, Levy had been missing and presumed dead. Then on May 22, 2002, a man named Philip Palmer, who was a regular visitor to Rock Creek Park, came across something as he and his dog walked near the Western Ridge Trial in the middle of the 1,754-acre park.
It was a human skull, and it was, police would later say, Levy's. In an investigation that had been marred by one lapse after another, the discovery of the skull was a breakthrough, although it would be followed by still more lapses, and it would be years before anyone was charged with killing Levy.
Below is the recording of the 911 call that Palmer made to the U.S. Park Police, first played in public in D.C. Superior Court.
911 call
“The thing is there’s a murder ...”
Maria Mendez
While in prison in 2003 for the assaults of two women in Rock Creek Park, Ingmar Guandique wrote a letter to Maria Mendez, a Florida woman who had been a pen pal to other inmates. Mendez began a correspondence with Guandique, but after he responded to her request for information about why he was incarcerated, she was troubled, she has said, by his reference to a dead girl.
Mendez wrote to Guandique to tell him she would no longer correspond with him, but before her letter reached him, he called her collect.
Excerpts of the telephone conversation, which was in Spanish, were played in court this month in the course of Mendez’s testimony as a witness. An English-language transcript of the excerpts was produced by prosecutors and accompanies the playback of this recording.
Guandique’s prison call
Excerpt 1 (Spanish)
Mendez is clearly surprised by Guandique’s call. She makes small talk at first but tries to break the news to him that she’s too scared to be pen pals with him.
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Marquez: Hello
Guandique: Hello
M: How are you?
G: Good. How about you?
M: And you are calling me collect?
G: Huh.
M: Are you calling me collect?
G: Forgive me. (Giggle)
M: And how are you doing?
G: Good and how about you?
M: And how come you're calling me? What a surprise.
G: Huh?
M: What a surprise.
G: Uh (unintelligble) about fifteen days ago I called you and no one answered.
M: Oh! Alright. So, tell me.
G: Uh-huh.
M: Did you receive my letter?
G: Yes, I received it.
M: When? Today?
G: Uh, last week.
M: What?
G: Last week.
M: No, I sent you another one.
G: Wh...
M: Wait. What day is it? Wednesday?
G: Yes.
M: Yes, you are probably about to receive another one. Because I wrote you this weekend.
G: Really?
M: And you haven't received anything this week?
G: No.
M: Well, this week then... haven't you ever been here in Miami?
G: No.
M: Never?
G: No.
M: And you don't have relatives or anyone here? No family?
G: In Miami?
M: Uh-huh.
G: No.
M: Where in El Salvador are you from?
G: San Miguel.
M: San Miguel?
G: Yes.
M: Uhh! Well, and what led you to call me?
G: Huh? To find out how you are.
G: Uh. I'm alright. I'm alright.
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Excerpt 2 (Spanish)
Guandique admits he's “shy.”
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M: Ahh. I sent you a letter. I don't know whether you're going to like my letter.
G: Huh?
M: I don't know whether you're going to like my letter.
G: Why?
M: Because... I don't know. But don't take it the wrong way, okay?
G: Okay.
M: Alright (Pause) Alright, and tell me more about yourself.
G: Huh?
M: Tell me more about yourself. You're very shy.
G: A little (GIGGLE)
M: A little? A lot (LAUGHTER). Tell me more about yourself.
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Excerpt 3 (Spanish)
She continues to ask Guandique about himself, but she also tries to put some distance between her and the much-younger man.
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M: And how old are you now?
G: I'm going to turn twenty-two.
M: Twenty-two?
G: Yes
M: Oh!
G: I'm going to turn twenty-two.
M: A little more and you could be my son.
G: Ah.
M: I have... I have a son who is already twenty years old.
G: Really
M: Yes
G: Alright
M: What do you think about that?
G: Ah?
M: What do you think about that?
G: Nothing.
M: I can be your mother.
G: No.
M: No?
G: No.
M: No? (Laughter)
Recording: This call is from a federal prison.
M: Listen, if I'm...listen
G: Uh-huh.
M: If you call me collect again, I won't accept it.
G: Okay.
M: Okay?
G: Okay.
M: Alright. But I'm going to accept it this time because you have a very sweet voice.
G: (Giggle) You do too. I like your voice.
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Excerpt 4 (Spanish)
Mendez tells Guandique she is scared of him. He tries to take the conversation in another direction, asking Mendez how old she is.
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M: Alright. Look I'm going to tell you in a few words what I said to you in the letter.
G: Okay.
M: Okay. But I don't want you to take it the wrong way.
G: No
M: Basically, the thing is that I don't quite remember what I wrote to you. But basically, what I'm telling you is that you know... and plus the thing you told me about that girl who's dead, you know that...
G: Yes.
M: You know those things scare me. Right?
G: Yes.
M: So I say to you in the letter, the only two things...I write to several prisoners.
G: Yes.
M: Right? So, what I always ask for is two things. It's really simple. First is honesty, right? That they don't lie to me because I don't lie to anyone.
G: Yes.
M: Because this is really important. And number two is that I need to feel safe. I don't...you know. The thing is there's a murder. (NERVOUS LAUGHTER) of a woman. That scares me very much.
G: Yes.
M: Do you understand what I'm saying?
G: Yes.
M: So that was my message to you (LONG PAUSE). So. (PAUSE) And what are you doing there?
G: Here?
M: Uh-huh.
G: Nothing. Just sleeping, exercising, reading, thinking about you.
M: Hmmmm. But you don't even know me.
G: I don't even know. (unintelligble)
M: You don't even know me and I'm afraid of you. What a thing.
G: Yes. (Laughter)
M: Huh?
G: Why are you afraid of me?
M: Because I don't...
G: Huh?
M: Hm. I don't know. I don't feel...
G: (unintelligble)
M: Huh? What? Hello?
G: Hello?
M: Hello, hello, hello?
G: Hello.
M: No, just that. ...and then you to top it off with the collect call (PAUSE) So.
G: How old are you?
M: Thirty-nine.
G: Yes.
M: No, lies. I'm not 39, I'm 40 years old.
G: Forty.
M: Uh-huh. That's why I'm telling you that I could be your mother.
G: Yes.
M: Yes, he says. Yes.
G: It doesn't matter.
M: No? (unintelligble)
G: Huh?
M: You don't care, but I care.
G: Why?
M: I'll tell you. It's not about the ... well ... it's the age of course. I don't ... What am I going to do with a 22-year-old guy, Ingmar?
G: Look, for love age does not matter.
M: But, what am I going to do with a 22 year old guy?
G: (unintelligble)
M: A little older and you'll be my children's age. What am I going to do?
G: What?
M: What am I going to do with a baby like you?
G: There's a lot ... haven't you seen many couples, even younger than me, with an older woman. I don't care.
M: But I do! What am I going to do ... with a baby chick ... with a head over heels baby chick like you? (LAUGHTER)
G: The truth?
M: Uh-huh.
G: I don't know. Look from the ... that ... from the first letter you sent me.
M: Uh-huh.
G: I don't know what happened to me. But I have some feelings for you. Something very special.
M: Alright, look, look, look, look. I'm going to make you a proposal...
G: Uh-huh.
M: What do you think? Look, if you promise not to call me collect.
G: Uh-huh.
M: But you have to promise me.
G: I promise you.
M: I'll keep writing to you.
G: Uh-huh.
M: I wasn't going to keep on writing to you because of the fact... Like I told you. ...no, no... I have to feel good. In other words ... if I feel a little frightened, I don't feel safe. Do you even understand me? ...I have to fee secure that I'll be safe with the person with whom I'm corresponding.
G: Yes
M: You see? So, that's what I sent to you... in the letter. Basically, it was like saying “bye.”
G: Yes
M: Right? But if you promise not to call me collect again.
G: I promise you.
M: I'll keep on writing to you.
G: Okay.
M: Okay, but with no commitment
G: Okay.
M: As friends.
G: Okay.
M: Because I'm telling you, you could be my son. Okay.
G: And there's a lot that doesn't make me feel right with you. Don't take it the wrong way, but the thing is ... Okay?
G: Okay.
M: Okay, but don't cry, don't cry.
G: Huh?
M: You're not going to cry?
G: What do you want me to do?
M: Oh, don't cry. Don't cry. Poor thing (Laughter)
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Excerpt 5 (Spanish)
Guandique opens up.
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M: Poor thing. Alright, this call is going to disconnect soon.
G: Yes.
M: Alright, behave yourself.
G: Okay.
M: Promise?
G: Yes
M: And get your life in order.
G: Uh-huh
M: Are you going to do it?
G: Yes.
M: Alright. Write
G: Okay.
M: Bye-bye. Take care of yourself.
G: Bye
M: Sleep tight.
G: Okay.
M: Bye.
G: Hey.
M: Hey?
G: Look.
M: Huh?
G: What do you want me to do?
M: I don't know what to say to you.
G: Huh?
M: I don't know what to say to you.
G: I love you.
M: You don't even know me!
G: I don't know you. This ... this I know. I know that I don't know you. But, I don't know. I feel something for you.
M: Alright, you're my little brother. Go.
G: Huh?
M: You're my little brother.
G: Bye.
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