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U.S. Olympic Team Announcement

Teleconference with USTA President Les Snyder and U.S. Coaches Tom Gullikson and Billie Jean King

May 29, 1996

PAGE CROSLAND: Hello. The USTA welcomes this media interests and before we get started, I would like to introduce the USTA participants that are on this call:

The USTA President, Les Snyder, from Lyon, France. Chairman of the USTA’s Olympic Committee, Barbara Smith, from Austin, Texas; women's coach, Billie Jean King, from Chicago; men's coach, Tom Gullikson, from Paris; USTA Executive Director, Rick Ferman, from Manhattan; Olympic team administrator, Ron Woods; and Olympic team leader, Sally Ederbeek, from the USTA Player Development Headquarters in Key Biscayne, Fla., team publicist, Randy Walker, in the USTA White Plains, N.Y. office.

And now, USTA President, Les Snyder, will nominate the U.S. Olympic team. Les?

LES SNYDER: Thank you, Page. On behalf of the United States Tennis Association, I welcome the media interest in today's announcement of the USA men's and women's Olympic tennis teams that will be nominated to the USOC.

At this time, I would also want to acknowledge First USA Bank as an official sponsor of USA Tennis, which represents U.S. teams participating in the Olympic games, Fed Cup and Davis Cup. Tennis is one of the premiere sports in the Olympics, and I'm very proud that some of the world's finest and best known athletes will be representing the USA in the Games.

Playing for the U.S. women's team, the following will be nominated to the USOC:

Monica Seles, Chanda Rubin, Lindsay Davenport and Gigi Fernandez.

Being nominated for the U.S. men's team will be Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi, MaliVai Washington, and Richey Reneberg.

These are the men's and women's U.S. Olympic team to be recommended to the USOC.

PAGE CROSLAND: Thank you, Les.

And now we'll go to the questions. Randy?

RANDY WALKER: Thanks everybody. We're going to go right down to the Olympic City, Atlanta, where the first question will come from Plott Brice, with the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Plott?

Q. There's so much to cover here. It's a pretty good assembly there on both sides, men's and women's. First to Tom, if he's there, there was much speculation about Courier, the third singles, and perhaps Todd Martin as your doubles player. What are some of the thinking that went into these nominations of Mal and Richey?

GULLIKSON: Well, you know, basically, Plott, we gave the opportunities right down the computer ranking of April 29th and Courier declined, citing scheduling situation two weeks after Wimbledon and, you know, the next person in line on the April 29th computer ranking was MaliVai Washington, so Courier really declined because he felt it was too close to Wimbledon and he felt it might hurt his preparation for the US Open.

Q. Todd Martin, why is Todd Martin not named to the team?

GULLIKSON: Like I said, Todd, we gave Todd the opportunity to play doubles and he declined the doubles, and on the singles, we went straight down the rankings and he was ranked behind MaliVai Washington by two spots, so Mal got the third singles nomination and Todd would have been the next person in line after MaliVai.

Q. Billie Jean, is it possible that any more news on Jennifer Capriati's whatever wild card nomination or Mary Joe perhaps being a fifth card or something for doubles?

BILLIE JEAN KING: I think you really need to talk to Les Snyder concerning this,because Les is the one who's really day-to-day involved with talking to the IOC people, the USOC people, so I would like you to refer to Les on this.

LES SNYDER: Andrea, I would just say that even just a few hours ago, I was still talking, trying to get -- see whether there's any possibility, and the rules are very clear and I don't -- I'm not able to get anyone to change the rules, so the rule is that each country can have four players and four players only. Three players in singles and the fourth player needs to team with somebody from the singles rank to form the doubles team.

Q. So it's pretty much certain that Jennifer won't get some other wild card?

LES SNYDER: I consider it -- because by the end of the week, we must nominate, but this morning, I finished making a lot of calls and having meetings and I am convinced that that is the rule and that's the rule we have to live with.

BILLIE JEAN KING: I would like to add one thing to what Les said. The one thing that is very difficult for us is with Mary Joe Fernandez. We have such depth in the United States that this has been very difficult for us. It's just hard to believe, but I'm sure Tom has had these same feelings, that we have so much depth and we have to deal with choosing like this.

Q. Hi, Billie Jean. Could you tell me a little bit on the thinking with Mary Joe, in terms of doubles combinations and why you went with Gigi? BILLIE JEAN KING: Well, I know Les and I discussed this at great length and I also discussed it with other people and players, and everybody feels that Gigi has been such a premiere doubles player for us and that we would talk to Mary Joe, and basically, she can win with anybody, is what everybody's feeling is, and felt that she's really earned her spot to be on the team. It was very difficult.

You know, if you look at the current rankings, for instance, Mary Joe has gone up ahead, I think, of Lindsay, and you sit there and think -- we have to go by April 29th and I know that Todd Martin -- that's what happened with Todd Martin and MaliVai Washington, so it's just -- we have to live with April 29th and that's, I think, one of our difficulties. Plus having a country that has so much depth compared to other countries, it's unimaginable that you can have a top ten player and not able to play in the Olympics.

Q. Who will probably be her doubles partner?

BILLIE JEAN KING: I think we're in discussion. Les is over in France and we've been trying to talk to the players to make sure that we go and reaffirm with the players. If I were talking a wild guess, probably Lindsay Davenport, but that's not a sure thing until Friday. We don't know yet.

Q. Tom, could you discuss MaliVai, the player, and what you think he'll add to the team?

GULLIKSON: You know, MaliVai is an extremely talented athlete and a very fine player. He certainly grew up playing on hard courts and hard courts is a very good surface for him. I think he'll be a legitimate threat to win a medal at the Olympics, you know, if he plays well, and there's going to be a lot of great players and the competition is going to be very difficult, but hopefully, with a hometown crowd and some good tennis, he'll be right in contention for a medal, just like I hope Sampras and Agassi will.

Q. This is for Tom. Tom, would you discuss the choice of Richey Reneberg and what he brings to the team?

GULLIKSON: Well, we looked at some possibilities for that fourth spot, which is really the doubles spot, and we -- as you go down the singles computer of April 29th, the next person after Todd Martin, who we offered the doubles spot to, was Richey Reneberg, and Richey has improved his singles ranking from about 80 down to 30, and he just had a great win here at the French Open, beating Enqvist in the first round. So Richey is playing some great singles as well as doubles, and we felt his experience would be a big factor, plus the fact, I think, after June 30th, you pretty much have to go with the four people on the team, so he would give us a potential backup singles player as well.

Q. One thing I'm a little unclear about is how much -- how strict you were forced to -- this is a question for Les or Tom or Billie Jean, or whoever cares to answer it, how strictly you had to abide by the rankings on April 29th in making your choices on both the men's and the women's side, and how much of personal discretion was a part of the mix as well?

LES SNYDER: I'll take the first crack, and then the two of you respond. We were committed to staying with the singles rankings and then thought we had to form the best doubles team, and that's what we're doing in both cases. Tom and Billie Jean?

BILLIE JEAN KING: I totally agree.

GULLIKSON: I think it's the fairest way. I think that way everybody has an equal opportunity to get their ranking to a position where they could qualify as one of the top three American players, as difficult as that is. Because we obviously, on the men's and women's side, have very highly ranked singles players.

Q. For Les, I was just curious what your thinking was in your efforts to get the wild card spot, so-called, for Jennifer; was it just harkening back to what she did in Barcelona and anything else that might have contributed to your efforts on her behalf?

LES SNYDER: I think it would be more accurate to say that I was seeking, because of the depth, to see whether we could get some type of different ruling regarding the limit of four players, so I don't think that it -- at times, we had to talk individuals, but I was really seeking to gain some relief from the four player limit that is in the rules, and I just thought that if I could make an argument that -- because of our depth, because some of the players are defending champions.

Mary Joe Fernandez is a defending champion and will not be able to participate, but that's the rule and I was more pursuing it as a -- more like a class than it was individuals.

Q. This is for Tom and Billie Jean. Could you have gone -- do you have the option to go for a fourth singles player in each case and why didn't you do that.

GULLIKSON: Each country can only get three singles players in, in the singles draw.

Q. But I mean choose a singles player instead of the doubles player, did you have that option?

BILLIE JEAN KING: Yes, but they're really there for doubles.

Q. Right.

BILLIE JEAN KING: So that's the difficulty with this. It was very difficult for me. I'm sure -- I mean, I can't speak for tom, and I think every one -- I think Ron Woods has been helpful, I think Lynne Rolley has been helpful. I think all of us had to kind of sweat over this because we know how important it is to the players and it just doesn't feel good when you have to leave somebody out that you really think deserves to be in, and it's been very difficult. For me personally, Mary Joe Fernandez creates a lot of anguish because she's been so loyal and she plays so well and she's top ten again. It doesn't feel good.

Q. Are there any alternates in case of injury that are going to be named?

LES SNYDER: What we have the right to do is up until the 30th of June, there's a -- I think it's best to refer to it as a qualified list, and we can substitute up until June the 30th and we name who's going to be the replacement if there's an injury. After June the 30th, it will be replaced on-site by the referee, and the referee will use the latest singles rankings at that time.

Q. Well, I've listened to everybody else and you've covered it all very well and it sounds like we're filling two very good teams. Billy and Les and Tom, you've done a good job and I know how difficult it is. It looks like with Mal Washington and Richey, what would be --Tom, I guess I'm addressing this to you with the men, what doubles combination are you looking for as to Mal, a combination, or Richey and Pete Sampras perhaps.

GULLIKSON: Like Billie Jean said, we really don't have to name who is going to be playing doubles until the 31st of May. I talked to Pete about playing singles and doubles and I think he certainly would be one of our top doubles players, but he would prefer not to play doubles because he knows it's going to be hot there and he knows coming off of Wimbledon, it will be difficult to play singles and doubles. He really would prefer not to play both in the Olympics.

Q. I just wanted to ask Les, would you just go over for clarification the exact format of the tournament in the Olympics for the average readers point of view, please?

LES SNYDER: By "format", do you mean amends?

Q. The regular singles draw and a regular doubles draw; does that help? It's regular singles and regular doubles, but it's not -- there's some confusion as to whether or not it's going to be like a Davis Cup situation or what have you. There's confusion as to exactly how it was going to work.

GULLIKSON: It's a 64 singles draw and they're trying to separate the players from each country whenever possible so they would be in different quarter final brackets. For the men, they switch from three out of five to two out of three this year, to help the players until the Gold Medal match. There's also a Bronze Medal match for the first time in history. Instead of giving both the semifinalists a Bronze, they're playing for it this year.

Q. And the women are two out of three and two out of three in the finals and so forth, right?


Q. I would like to ask Les Snyder if he can characterize overall the teams, the two teams, the women's and men's teams overall, what do you think of the players?

LES SNYDER: First, we have some of the best players in the world and we're very, very fortunate. I think we have a very strong women's team. I'll start with them first, but for no reason but for the fact that with Monica playing, and when you follow with Chanda and Lindsay and then have a very strong doubles team, we believe, so I think that the women's team is in very well position to do very well in the collection of medals.

And the men's side, why, it's very nice, Pete had a wonderful win today, and having Pete, the number one player in the world play for the USA, is just tremendous. He and Andre playing together representing the USA are very strong, and MaliVai, as was mentioned, he's deceptive. He can play very, very good tennis and the surface is well suited, I think, to his game, so I think he'll do well. And Richey has proven over the years to be just very, very good in playing for our Davis Cup. As Tom said, Richey is playing very good tennis right now, so I think that overall, the women's team is very strong and so is the men's team, very strong.

Q. This is for Billie Jean. I wanted you to comment, if you could, a little about the injury situation, whether that was a concern to you. As far as I know Chanda and Lindsay are both nursing wrist injuries, whether that's been discussed with them before you made the nominations?

A. Oh, yes. Lindsay seems to be OK now. Chanda still does have a wrist problem and I know that when we talked to her I told her to don't play until it's 100 percent, especially at her age it's really important. If one of them can't play, we go to the next ranking, as Les Snyder mentioned earlier, then I'm sure we'd go to Mary Joe, most likely. I am concerned with injuries. I think with Monica's shoulder earlier this year and Chanda and Lindsay having wrist injuries, the most important thing they can do is get well and stay get healthy and people first and tennis players second.

Q. If you could talk about Chanda for a second, this is sort of a sentimental pick in a way, because I know she donated a lot of her time and went the extra mile last year for Pan Am, so are you pleased that she ended up making the team?

BILLIE JEAN KING: Absolutely. I talked to her during Fed Cup at Wilmington, N.C., and we talked quite a bit. I said to her, you know, you could do a lot better than you are. Just stay balanced and I expect you to play Fed Cup in Spain and also in the future, that you could do anything you want. She's just slowly developed and she's been very loyal. She was rookie at Wilmington and went out and practiced and did anything that she could to help, and that meant a lot to everybody on the team. Of course she, played very well in Spain. She beat Arantxa Sanchez Vicario. Though we lost, she did have a win over her there and it was a very important match to her because she lost the first set pretty badly.

I just think she has so much talent and she's very well balanced. Her family really cares about her as a person, and I think that's been very helpful in her development.

Q. Billie Jean, I have a question regarding Monica Seles. Do you feel the U.S. has taken a gamble with her on the team because of her injury situation.

BILLIE JEAN KING: We're always taking a gamble with Monica, but if she ends up not playing because she's injured, that will allow somebody else on the team, so we're not too worried about that. I hope she stays well, because that's the most important thing. Yes, I think with all -- with Lindsay, Chanda and Monica, let's face it, they've had injuries this last year. And Mary Joe's health has always been suspect, so it's tough. You know, I think Lindsay's okay now. At least from what I heard, she once prospered, so that's a good sign.

Q. Maybe Les can answer this. What are the players paid for being on the team and how does this pay compare to other countries?

LES SNYDER: You know, I really don't know the answer to how the other countries pay and I think it's just a question that we give them a set amount of money to help them to defray their expenses, and that's as much detail as I'll give on that.

Q. The first one for Billie or Les. I'm still -- didn't there used to be a rule where you had to play a Fed Cup to be eligible for the Olympic team, and I'm thinking of Monica here. Did she play at all in Fed Cup.

BILLIE JEAN KING: No. It's making yourself available, but she was injured. Therefore, she couldn't play. I would probably like to see that changed. I think you should have to play at least maybe one to two years or something. We have a lot of rules, Les and I discuss, and I'm sure Tom. There's a lot that we would like to change, but we try to make things better, but it takes a long time to change things.

LES SNYDER: If I might just -- the question was availability, not eligibility, availability, and on two occasions, we had Monica was available to play. At the last minute, had to withdraw because injuries didn't progress the way she had hoped or we had hoped.

Q. My other question is for Tom. Michael Chang, is he just not interested or --

A. Michael kind of pulled himself out fairly early and he played Davis Cup for us this year in San Diego and did a great job against Mexico, and he basically said he played the Olympics before and it was a great experience for him and his main goal this year is to try to win the US Open and once again, between Wimbledon and the Open, with the Olympics falling two weeks after Wimbledon, and then after Wimbledon there's only three more weeks leading up to the Open. It really scrunches up the summer a little bit, and Michael felt it would somehow injure his preparation for the US Open.

Q. I direct this to Les. It seems on the women's side there are more women than wanted spots and kind of the reverse on the men's side, where you had a couple of your top players turning down a bid to the Olympics. What's your thought on that and is it disappointing, as far as the men go, who didn't want to play in the Olympics?

LES SNYDER: Well, I think each of the men who turned the opportunity down had their own personal reasons and I have to respect their personal reasons. I understand why Jim decided that he was not going to make himself available and I also understand why todd did not play. I'm disappointed, but probably more disappointed for the missed opportunities for the two of them.

Q. If Tom has any thoughts on that same subject?

GULLIKSON: It's difficult. Like Les said, you have to certainly respect their decision, you know, whatever way, we were hopeful that everybody who got the invitation would accept, but, you know, scheduling is always difficult, as Billy Jean and Les know, both for the Fed Cup matches and the Davis Cup matches, but also for the Olympics and different players have different goals. Some of the players have made the Olympics a huge priority and other players have not.

Q. I think my main question was answered by somebody else, but can you, Tom or Les, just clarify for me are MaliVai and Rich going to be the doubles team for the men?

GULLIKSON: Like I said, we don't really have do nominate them until the 31st officially, but I would say it's looking that way right now.

Q. May 31st?


Q. And the women will be Lindsay and Gigi?

BILLIE JEAN KING: We're double checking, and at the point we reached to talk to all the players, it's not that easy to find players. This has been very long process. It doesn't go "oh, I need to call somebody". There's a lot of calling back and forth and missing each other and it takes a long time to get answers.

Q. But is that what you expect or what you hope?

BILLIE JEAN KING: I think we're leaning toward that, but we need to really talk to Gigi first and Les is going to be reaching her and finalizing really what we think. But they played exceptionally well in Fed Cup last summer and also it's cement. I think you have to look at the surface, but, you know, Chanda has been playing a lot better at doubles now too.

Q. It's really up in the air?

A. It's up in the air.

Q. Billie Jean, with regard to the wild card slot, there were couple of players mentioned. You mentioned Mary Joe and I think Jennifer was mentioned at some point, was there anybody else taken under serious consideration for the spot and within that, speaking of eligibility was Martina even eligible, and if so, did you even think about or talk to her about the spot?

BILLIE JEAN KING: She's eligible as far as whatever, but her ranking isn't -- prevented her from being chosen, and I talked to her very early last year. As soon as I knew the rules -- I mean some of the rules, enough of the rules, because I keep learning new ones all the time, I told her, you know, they're going to go totally on the rankings and I'm just going to tell you, you really have no chance, because your ranking isn't high enough. That's what they're going to go on.

Q. But even within a wild card spot? You didn't have to go within the ranking on the wild card, did you?

BILLIE JEAN KING: We really did go a lot by the rankings. We feel that's the right way to go. Quite frankly, Martina's not playing enough. I mean, you've got to play more if you're going to be playing at the Olympics. She's basically made a decision not to play that much in the beginning of the year, and she's going to pick it up near the end of the year.

Q. I have a question for Tom here. You mentioned earlier that Pete was concerned about playing with the tight schedule and also with the heat in Atlanta. What's your approach with the players coming into it with the heat and how do you plan to prepare them to deal with it.

GULLIKSON: Well, you know, first of all, it's coming literally -- the players are used to playing in the heat of the summer circuit in the US and, you know, they're all very professional and they all take very good care of themselves, but the main thing really is to hydrate yourself well, to eat well the night before, and certainly throughout the whole two weeks, to have a lot of fuel in your body and really keep yourself pretty cool and covered and hopefully win your matches quickly so the heat is not a big deal.

And certainly changing to two out of three sets has really helped the men, because I know in Barcelona, it was best of five sets from the very first round and I know Pete played ten sets of singles in one day and lost both matches in five in singles and doubles. He had some bad memories of that particular day, so certainly the men players feel a lot better about two out of three.

Q. And if I could follow up. With Andre in the French now, although it is a clay surface, does that loss concern you at all with his play? What were your thoughts on that.

GULLIKSON: Andre, you know, has not played much at all on clay this year, leading up to the French Open, and he had a tough loss today in five sets. But he's got Wimbledon to look forward to and he plays well on grass and certainly, last summer on the hard courts with the incredible 26 match run he went on winning four tournaments in a row and getting the final to the Open, we all know he plays great on hard courts. So he's said all along that representing the Olympics is really representing your country in the truest form, and he's really excited about it, so I'm sure he'll be pumped up for it.

Q. This is either for Billie Jean or for Les. With Mary Joe having moved almost into the top ten, did you guys have any leeway at all in going away from the April 29th rankings to ones with later rankings.

BILLIE JEAN KING: No, absolutely not. I wish we did. We don't.

Q. I have several clean-up questions. One; why were the rankings April

LES SNYDER: I asked that question of the Olympic Committee from the ITF just this morning and they had to set some time and so it was April the 29th or whether it was May the 7th, they just had to set a time so that everybody was operating by the same standard.

Q. Les, how many teams in doubles and are there mixed doubles?

LES SNYDER: Doubles?

Q. Yes. How many teams will compete in doubles?

BILLIE JEAN KING: We'll have one U.S. team; is that what you're asking?

Q. Totals in the draw?

LES SNYDER: 32. There's no mixed doubles.

LES SNYDER: No mixed.

Q. Can someone give us the rankings of April 29th of the people who were chosen for the team?

RANDY WALKER: This is Randy Walker with USTA. I can fax that to you in the office.

Q. I also would like to have the rankings on that date of Capriati, Mary Joe, Chang and Todd Martin.

RANDY WALKER: You got it.

Q. Hi. Tom and Billie Jean, do you have any plans for the Olympic teams to practice as a team somewhere before the games and where would that be?

BILLIE JEAN KING: I've haven't even got to that in my head because I've been going through so much of who is going to be on the team, and I don't really know. I don't know. Tom, you'll have to talk.

GULLIKSON: I think, traditionally, most of our American players from the men's and women's side tend to do very well at Wimbledon too and typically will take the week off after Wimbledon, and then that following week would be a preparation week. And I don't know if they want to go to Atlanta too early because I know it's probably going to be a zoo there, but most of our American players grow up playing on hard courts, so it's not going to be a huge adjustment.

But I would imagine they'll certainly want to come in Atlanta three or four days ahead of time and hit some balls and get acclimated to the conditions and help find their way around, just the is site and also the Atlanta area, so I'm sure they will be there in three or four days before to practice some.

BILLIE JEAN KING: As far as going earlier someplace, we would not do that; is that the question.

Q. Yes. I was curious if you were going to like get them all together and come down and train for a little bit.

BILLIE JEAN KING: I don't think so. I think they're going to want to rest after Wimbledon and -- of course we're going to be talking to the team players now that we've made the teams. And we can figure out when they're going to get in. They're going to want to practice on the courts at Stone Mountain, where we're going to be playing. That's going to be probably something that's going to be very important and we'll probably have some fun together.

GULLIKSON: It's rumored to be a slow court, so I'm sure they'll want to get there in advance to get used to the speed of the court.

Q. Billie Jean, could you characterize your reaction to Jennifer's not making the team?

BILLIE JEAN KING: I didn't think she would make the team. I didn't think she had any chance to make the team, unless the rules can be changed. My main concern even more than Jennifer was -- as Les said earlier in the conference, in trying to change -- that we get maybe an extra player in the Olympics, because we have so much depth, both the men's and the women's, and it's difficult when have you a top ten player that you know is not going to be in there. I think it's probably more of a jitter for Mary Joe, case in point, at this particular moment. We told Jennifer all along, at least I told you her "hey, you got no chance", but we would certainly like to start thinking about if you're defending Gold Medalists, either in singles or doubles, which Mary Joe falls into that as well, we would like to be able to think about how can we help -- have more players represented, since our players are ranked so high.

It's very difficult when you have a top ten player in the world that's not going to play in the Olympics and wants to play, and you probably have somebody that's going to be ranked number 200 in the world getting to play, so it's difficult, but also understandable, because you have all the countries involved and you could have the best from each country. It's just that we're very blessed in the United States of America to have so many great players.

Q. I just have one quick question. I may have missed this before. How exactly were the doubles players selected; was it a coach's decision, a committee, something else?

LES SNYDER: I might take a crack. In the women's side, we had a clear choice between two people and the rankings supported, when looking for a doubles player, the rankings certainly supported that Gigi be the player. On the men's side, because of some of the people opting not to participate, we thought we had to look at the strongest singles and doubles, and that was essentially a committee decision.

Q. Just two quick questions One; Billie Jean, on the injuries, are you expecting that the girls going to the Olympics to play the Fed Cup match a week before.

BILLIE JEAN KING: Well, yes, I do. But we're going to have to leave -- I'm going to leave from Wimbledon on Saturday of the second weekend after I do my commentary for HBO, I'll be on a airplane Saturday to get to Japan on Monday so I can get there and get organized, because we have some tough matches yet. I think with the women, it's a not a matter they don't want to, it's whether they can from injuries, either injuries or illness. That's really been our biggest concern this year.

Q. Are you going to put Jennifer on the alternate list given all the injuries, I assume you're going to have a few people on that list?

BILLIE JEAN KING: We probably go by rankings, don't we, Les?

LES SNYDER: It's probably for that, to our advantage, to go to what's referred to as a direct entry list.

BILLIE JEAN KING: That's what they call it?

LES SNYDER: And there's 15 players from the United States that have qualified for the direct entry, and I think that's the list that we would use, because it's easier to do it that way.

Q. One quick question to Tom. Was there any thought of just putting in a doubles team for the last two spots and having a doubles player play the singles?

A. No. I think certainly -- I talked to Les and I know Billy Jean and I talked as well. No, we want to maximize our opportunities to get some medals in the singles, and each country does get three spots, so we want to maximize that and get three singles players that we all think have a good chance of winning a medal and combine one of those three people with an excellent doubles player to form a good doubles team.

RANDY WALKER: I want to thank everybody for joining today.

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