Following are excerpts from a transcript of D.C. Mayor Marion Barry's testimony on Jan. 19 and 24, 1989, before a federal grand jury investigating allegations of drug use by him and Charles Lewis. The testimony was introduced into evidence yesterday at Barry's trial in U.S. District Court here:

Barry was asked by prosecutor Judith E. Retchin about conversations he had with Lewis while at the Ramada Inn. One count in Barry's indictment alleged that he committed perjury in the following conversation when he said he never saw anything that indicated Lewis was involved with drugs.

Q. Did Mr. Lewis talk at all at any time about any significant purchase he was making or thinking about making?

A. Significant?

Q. Yes.

A. What kind of purchase?

Q. Well, anything of more than $100. Did Mr. Lewis talk about any purchase he was thinking about making?

A. Well, at one point Chuck had some strange kind of con -- well, when I say 'strange,' he said something like 'I need to go, I need to get -- ' I don't know what he meant by that, 'a working' -- He said a friend of his was talking about a 'working fifty.' I said 'What's that?' He didn't -- he didn't tell me what that was.

Q. What did he say about a working fifty?

A. Something about a working fifty.

Q. Well, what did he say about a working fifty?

A. Well, it happened so -- and it was in a strange context 'cause we were talking about something general and he mentioned something about a working fifty, but I don't know what that meant, so I didn't pursue it.

Q. What was he talking about where the term 'working fifty' was mentioned?

A. I -- it was not in any context at all. That's why I'm -- I didn't understand it, so I went on to something else.

Q. Well --

A. One thing that Chuck would do sometime, he would kid about things, you know, or joke about things that had no relevance to anything else.

Q. But what were you and Mr. Lewis talking about where the term 'working fifty' came up? You said it was not in context, so what was the subject of the conversation when the term 'working fifty' was mentioned?

A. I -- I -- really, I really don't know the context of that. It happened, it passed, didn't discuss it and went on to something else.

Q. What makes you recall that he used the term 'working fifty'?

A. Because on one occasion, he asked me if I could lend him some money, that he was broke, and at that time I didn't have any money, strange as it may sound. I didn't have but $10 in my pockets. In fact, on two occasions, he asked me to lend him some money and, as I said, it just popped out of -- we were talking about something that wasn't serious and he mentioned something about a working fifty.

Q. But what makes you recall that he used that term?

A. First of all, a term I never heard before and, two, it was out of context from what you were talking about --

Q. Given that it was a term you had never heard before and it was out of context from what you were talking about --

A. I didn't pursue it any further.

Q. Why not?

A. I -- I didn't want to know what that was, whatever that might've meant. I had an idea probably.

Q. What do you mean you did not want to know that it meant?

A. Well, I didn't want to -- we have talked about food, talked about borrowing money and about being out of work and a lot of different things, and as I said, it seemed so insignificant to me, I let it slide.

. But you said you had an idea about what it meant. What do you think it meant?

A. Either it was -- I thought it might've been involved in some hot clothes or a woman or drugs. One of the three. I mean, I didn't -- these street words. I don't know enough about these street words. I thought it was something like that, 'cause people use that kind of slang. I didn't know whether or not it mean a lady that would charge you $50, a working fifty. I first thought about prostitution, quite frankly, just in the back of my mind. Working fifty, I thought it might've meant a lady who charged $50. But I don't anything about those areas, so therefore, I didn't spend much time on it.

Q. How did you think working fifty applied to hot clothes?

A. Some people use that on the street.

Q. Pardon me?

A. I've heard that term on the streets slightly about working -- I've heard working twenty-fives, working hundreds. These are terms I don't quite understand always, but people talk about -- people -- it's really hard to explain. These are slangs that I hear. I never heard a working fifty before. I'd heard working twenty-five, working two hundred. Those are slang words I think for hot clothes.

Q. Had you ever discussed narcotics of any sort with Mr. Lewis before he used the term 'working fifty'?

A. Not -- no, I don't think so. I doubt it.

Q. Had you ever seen Mr. Lewis with anything that indicated he was involved with drugs of any sort?

A. No, I have not.

Q. Have you ever heard anybody say anything about Mr. Lewis indicating that he might be involved with drugs of any sort?

A. No, I have not.

Q. Why did you think the term 'working fifty' might apply to drugs?

A .I said it could've applied to prostitutes, not clothes. In the back of my mind, I was thinking about things. This is after the conversation. This wasn't during the time we discussed it. When we discussed it, I didn't say anything, asked him about it. After he said it, I was in the car, what'd that mean. You know how you talk to yourself about it, and I just sort of thought it might've been a slang for hot clothes, women or drugs.

Q. Why was Mr. Lewis telling you about a working fifty?

A. It happened -- it was about a 30-second thing he said.

Q. Why was he telling you about it?

A. I don't know, quite frankly . . . .

Q. Have you ever talked to Mr. Lewis about drugs?

A. No, not to my recollection.

Q. Have you ever talked to Mr. Lewis about cocaine?

A. No.

Q. Have you ever talked with anyone else about Mr. Lewis's involvement with cocaine?

A. I'm hesitating because I don't -- I doubt if I did because I don't know of any involvement he had with cocaine.

At another point in his testimony, Barry is asked again about his knowledge of Lewis and drug use. This testimony forms the second perjury count in the indictment.

Q. Have you ever given Mr. Lewis any money?

A. I've lent him money.

Q. How much did you lend Mr. Lewis and when?

A. I think one time I lent him $20.

Q. Since he's been back?

A. Uh-huh. (affirmative)

Q. You have to answer --

A. Yes. I'm sorry. Yes.

Q. -- verbally.

A. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes . . . .

Q. Other than $20, have you --

A. That's my best recollection. To be frank with you, I wasn't -- I wasn't -- I mean, even though I was sympathetic to Chuck's problem. I'm not in the position where I can just lend money to people knowing I'm not going to get it back.

Q. Other than the $20 that you loaned Mr. Lewis, have you given Mr. Lewis anything else?

A. I can't recall giving him any other money.

Q. Have you ever given Mr. Lewis any other thing of value?

A. No.

Q. Did Mr. Lewis --

A. Well, the book and the papers of value, yes.

Q. Besides that. Anything besides that, sir?

A. No. If you're getting at -- I've never given Mr. Lewis any cocaine or any other drugs. Announce that right up front.

Q. But besides the books and papers, is there anything else you can recall that you gave to Mr. Lewis since he's been back and staying at the Ramada?

A. No.

The following exchange forms the basis for the third charge of perjury.

Q. Did Mr. Lewis ever give you cocaine?

A. No.

Q. Did you ever --

A. Let me say it this way. The answer is no. I mean, unless he put it in a drink or something and I didn't know what it was.


Q. Did you ever receive cocaine from anyone who was associated with the Ramada?

A. No.

Q. Have you ever received cocaine from anyone at the Ramada?

A. No.

Q. Did you have any indication that Mr. --

A. Again, not to my knowledge. Again, in the traditional sense of cocaine, but, you know, I don't know what people do these days, and that's why I'm careful about where I drink and who I drink with and what I drink. So I won't say absolutely, 'cause people may have different methods. I never had anything that made me high like I think cocaine's supposed to make you high.

In this portion of the testimony, Barry mentioned visiting the home of the mother of Hazel Diane "Rasheeda" Moore, the girlfriend who later became an FBI informant.

A. When I testified last week, I'd indicated that I'd gone to Tots School for my son's Christmas play . . . After I left the grand jury, I went back to my office and looked at my schedule and talked to my staff about their best recollections of what was happening . . . . I left Tots School, which is in the 1300 block of Shepherd Street. I went around the corner to a lady who plays organ and is the organist at Jerry Moore's church and et cetera, and she had been asking to see me about some personal concerns she had . . . . Her name is Mrs. Mary Moore. She's a lady of about 55 or 60 years of age. We talked about -- we kidded a little bit about when she's going to teach me to play the keyboard. I've been asking about doing that for a while.

And she has a son that's either in Lorton or Maryland someplace in jail, and she was asking me if I knew anybody she could talk to about how she could get to see him more . . . . I testified earlier that I'd gone to Pardis restaurant, P-a-r-d-i-s. I left the restaurant and gone home, but after thinking about it, I'd gone by {owner Hassan Mohammadi's} house for about a half hour, 45 minutes, and then went home.