And what is the director of player personnel for the New England Patriots doing with the payroll sheet of the 1962 Redskins? Why is that large fellow saying if only he'd kept his mouth shut Bob Lilly would have played with the Philadelphia Eagles? Is his secretary really meaner than many NFL players?
"It came out that way," said Frank (Bucko) Kilroy. "Once when we were giving those psychological tests we took the names of the players off the forms and used numbers instead. If a doctor knows he's evaluating Julius Adams he does it differently than somebody he doesn't recognized.
"So we took all identification off the tests. And as another check we let the secretaries fill out some, too. When they were rated tougher than some of the players, we stopped the tests."
He laughed, for nobody appreciates a good story more than this 36-year veteran of NFL life. Kilroy was there when the first pro scouts were organized, by the Eagles in the early '40s. He drafted Sonny Jurgensen - and he drafted the Taylors, Smiths, Hausses and others who are now giving way to younger Redskins.
His latest project has been the Patriots. kilroy arrived during the Pats-are-patsies phase of development, for the '72 draft, and hopes to make room for a championship ring after this season.
Kilroy and the coach, Chuck Fairbanks, built the Pats in less-than-traditional fashion, though size and speed were the cornerstones.
"At first, we simply drafted to project Jim Klunkett," Kilroy said of the quarterback who first lifted the Pats to mediocrity and then, by being traded to San Francisco, to among the NFL elite.
"Plunkett took a fierce beating here, both shoulders and both knees," Kilroy said. "So we passed up (Chuck) Foreman - twice - so we could get (guard) John Hannah and the best blocking back in the business, Sam Cunningham.
"When George Allen got to the 'Skins, he had a nucleus of good players waiting (in fact, players Kilroy had drafted during his 4 1/2 seasons in Redskin personnel). We had none of that here. We had a quality center (John Morris of Washington, D.C.) but nobody at the skill positions."
Like every other ailing team in the last decade but mainly because Kilroy had been working for them several years before, the Pats upgraded themselves with Dallas Cowboy rejects. They even took a brief whirl with Duane Thomas.
Then came the Plunkett-to-San Francisco trade - and in return draft choices that became defensive backs Raymond Clayborn and Tim Fox, running back Horace Ivory and blocker/snapper Pete Brock.
Most teams build around a defensive line. The Pats use three No. 1 choices for defensive, back, on the theory that dominance in one area always helps the entire team Good coverage allows the rushmen more time to attack the quarterback.
The Pats have had 10 first-round draft choices in the last six seasons and backup quarterback Tom Owens also came in the Plunkett deal. And, whenever possible, Fairbanks works familiar territory, Oklahoma, the Southwest and Big Eight conferences.
Kilroy's tenure in Washington was the war years, the NFL-AFL war years of the early and mid '60s. He recalled that the major reason for drafting kicker Charlie Gogolak on the first round was he could be signed.
Also, Kilroy said it cost more to sign low-round draftee Jerry Smith than it did first-round draftee Charley Taylor - and that if a coin flip with Dallas had gone the other way Taylor would have been a Cowboy and Mel Renfro a Redskin.
If Kilroy had not been successful with a smallish linebacker in Philadelphia named Maxie Baughan, another smallish linebacker named Chris Hanburger probably would not have been given a chance in the NFL. Len Hauss was a medical risk coming out of college 15 years ago, Kilroy said.
And if Jim Turner had not punched a policeman in Carlisle, Pa., during training camp Redskin placekicking would have been stable for at least 15 years, he added. But Kilroy was seen packing the very day Otto Graham was named Redskin coach.
"I'd sued Life magazine for a story Otto did for them in October of '56 that called me a dirty player," Kilroy said. "It was tried in 1958 and I got $23,500 - tax free. So I knew the score when Otto was hired. But I learned a lot about the business end of football in Washington."
No scout is infallible - and even Kilroy admirers sometimes repeat the classic apocryphus always used to illustrate his large appreciation of his own wisdom. Some scouts decided to invent a player at some obscure college and ask Kilroy for an evaluation.
Bucko gave a two-minute report on the fictitious player.
But his record is as impressive as any scout. One major flaw, though, was telling his good friend, Gil Brandt of the Cowboys, that he planned to draft Lilly for the Eagles. Picking ahead of the Eagles, the Cowboys chose that many-time all pro.
Kilroy's judgements still kept on large boards, on the walls of a Patriots' conference room. But the boards, like his lips, are locked to the outside world.