Daniels: If I said based on his investigation, as a result of his investigation, he believes that there are email exchanges between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks, would that be a false statement?Willemin: We lost the strong possibility clause there.Daniels: We did. I’m trying to figure out whether you say that takes it into the category of being false or not. I don’t know why that takes it into the category of being false. Would you say that was false?Willemin: I’m not trying to hide the ball here.Daniels: You’re not giving me a reasonable answer here. You are avoiding the question. The question is not that complicated. And you’re right, it may not be a relevant question and it may not be your case. But it seems like a very simple question with a very simple answer. It seems like everybody in this room knows what the answer to that question is except you. Even the people at your table have to know what the answer to that question is. He would not say that it’s a false statement, that based on his investigation he has concluded that he believes that there are email exchanges between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks. He would not say that that was a false statement, right? You’re not going to concede that?Willemin: Your Honor, it’s just not the way he put it.Daniels: I didn’t ask you how he put it. That’s the way I put it. I asked you whether or not that would be a false statement.Willemin: My knowledge of what he believes or doesn’t believe —Daniels: I didn’t ask you what he believes or what he doesn’t believe. I asked you whether he would say what I just said was a false statement. I’ll give you one more chance to answer that. But I can tell you the way I work. If you can’t answer my question yes or no, I usually pick the one that’s against you. So you had better give me a yes or no and give me a reason for it or I’m going to take the answer that hurts you because I can’t ask you ten times and you not want to give me a straight answer.Willemin: I think as phrased he would say that is false.Daniels: In what way is that false? What part of that is false?Willemin: The definitiveness of the belief.The Court: Do you listen to yourself? The definitiveness of a belief? There is no such thing as a definitiveness of a belief. There is a definitiveness of facts and then there are beliefs. There is no such thing as a definitive belief.Willemin: Your Honor, the subject of the belief in the hypothetical is the belief that there are these emails.
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