GIULIANI: Well, because the meeting was originally for the purpose of getting information about, about Clinton. The meeting turned into a meeting —TODD: Which in itself it’s attempted collusion. I understand —GIULIANI: No it’s not.TODD: You just said it. The meeting was intended to get dirt on Hillary Clinton from a criminal lawyer.(CROSSTALK)GIULIANI: No, it wasn’t. No, no.TODD: That was the intention of the meeting, you just said it.
GIULIANI: I am not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury. And when you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he’s going to tell the truth and he shouldn’t worry, well that’s so silly because it’s somebody’s version of the truth. Not the truth. He didn’t have a, a conversation —TODD: Truth is truth. I don’t mean to go like —GIULIANI: No, it isn’t truth. Truth isn’t truth.