“Some of the things that she said I didn’t say, ok. And she went through a whole list and this was a hell of a first question, by the way. But I will say this. I was attacked by the people that you talk about. When you mentioned a couple of those names, I was attacked viciously by those people. I don’t mean a little bit, I mean viciously. When I’m attacked, I fight back. But I was attacked viciously by those women.”
— Donald Trump, interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Aug. 9, 2015
Businessman Donald Trump escalated his feud with Fox News host Megyn Kelly after she asked him a pointed question about his verbal treatment of women. On the Sunday shows, he refused to apologize — and further asserted that Kelly lists things he did not say. He also argued that he had first been attacked, appearing to refer to Bette Midler and New York Times columnist Gail Collins, two women cited by NBC’s Chuck Todd.
So is Trump correct that Kelly listed “some” comments he did not say?
First, here’s the complete exchange between Kelly and Trump.
KELLY: Mr. Trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don’t use a politician’s filter. However, that is not without its downsides, in particular, when it comes to women. You’ve called women you don’t like “fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals.”
TRUMP: Only Rosie O’Donnell.
KELLY: For the record, it was well beyond Rosie O’Donnell.
TRUMP: Yes, I’m sure it was.
KELLY: Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women’s looks. You once told a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president, and how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who was likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women?
So what’s Kelly referring to here?
Well, Rose O’Donnell did get the Donald treatment for three of those terms. He called her a “big, fat pig.” He also called her an “animal” and a “slob.” He also called her a “horrible human being, a terrible person…a loser.” He also attacked her as “a bully.” And “a degenerate.”
What prompted this onslaught?
In 2006, O’Donnell, while moderating “The View,” poked fun at Trump for holding a news conference to announce that he would let a Miss USA winner retain her crown, despite allegations of partying and underage drinking. She repeatedly referred to him as “bankrupt,” called him a “snake oil salesman,” and said it was ridiculous he was posing as a “moral authority” given his history of failed marriages. She also did a wicked imitation of his demeanor, with a faux comb-over.
Here’s the episode of “The View” that started it all:
Okay, so a lot of this has to do with the Donald v. Rosie feud, which she apparently started. But there are other examples.
As Todd noted, one incident supposedly involved Collins. On Dec. 18, 1992, writing at the time for New York Newsday, Collins wrote a tongue-in-cheek column in which she referred to the “now-recycled Marla Maples” (Trump’s then-mistress and future wife) and how a deal to build the Riverside South apartment complex would “not restore Trump to his old billionaire status” but “will make him a somewhat less financially embattled thousandaire.” The article also mocked his “$300 duck-tail haircut” and quoted an “amused city councilman” as asking, “So is he here strolling for babes?”
Nearly two decades later, in 2011, Collins wrote in The New York Times that “during one down period, I referred to him in print as a ‘financially embattled thousandaire’ and he sent me a copy of the column with my picture circled and ‘The Face of a Dog!’ written over it.”
We’ll have to take Collins’ word for it, as she has not published Trump’s scrawl, but Trump also has used “dog” to refer to other women. For instance, in 2015 he attacked Ariana Huffington as “a dog who wrongfully comments on me.”
As for Bette Midler, who Todd also mentioned, she apparently fell into Trump’s definition of “disgusting” in 2012—after Midler tweeted that “the man who ruined New York seeks to ruin the nation.” This prompted a flurry of tweets from Trump, including:
Finally, Kelly said that Trump “once told a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees.”
That was a reference to a 2013 episode of Celebrity Apprentice in which singer Brett Michaels described how one contestant, Brande Roderick, had gotten on her knees and begged not to be fired.
Trump asked Roderick: “Excuse me, you dropped to your knees?”
“Yes,” she acknowledged.
Trump responded: “Must be a pretty picture, you dropping to your knees.”
(Roderick’s reaction is priceless.)
A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign declined to comment, but did not offer to dispute our research.
The Pinocchio Test
Trump should think twice before challenging the research of a major news organization. There is ample evidence for each of the slurs against women uttered or tweeted by Trump. Perhaps he has a point that he attacks once he is provoked, but there is little doubt that the over-the-top language cited by Kelly was correct.
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