To Seema Verma, Medicaid is more like two programs than just one.

The administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services — who leads the agency overseeing the federal government’s big health insurance programs — described the way she views two different populations who rely on Medicaid in an interview yesterday with The Health 202.

There are the Americans with disabilities or chronic medical conditions who aren’t able to work, she said. And then there are healthy adults able to maintain a job. Verma said she envisions Medicaid as responding differently to each population based on their needs.

“When I look at the Medicaid program, I think of it almost in terms of two Medicaid programs,” Verma told me. “There’s the program that serves the most fragile, vulnerable populations in our society. These could be people that are living on ventilators or quadriplegics. That’s a very different program than looking at the program for the able-bodied individuals.”

Verma has displayed her views on Medicaid through several major actions by CMS to allow states to impose more requirements in order to register. She often talks about her intent to give states more flexibility in running their programs, particularly when it comes to measures that might result in smaller Medicaid rolls and reduced spending.

“It is a success for us when somebody is able to rise out of poverty and no longer needs the program for those able-bodied individuals,” she said. “If they are able to get a job that provides health insurance and create that independence, I consider that a success.”

Allowing states to try out new Medicaid approaches is a major way Verma can put her stamp on the program for low-income Americans that covers about 70 million Americans. Here are three big, pending questions she and the agency she runs are considering:

1. Are work requirements permissible in states that didn’t expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act?

All four of the states where the administration has said "yes" to work requirements expanded their Medicaid programs under the ACA. If recipients in Indiana, Arkansas, New Hampshire or Kentucky get a job, they don’t risk losing their benefits until they earn more than 100 percent of the federal poverty level — and at that point, they can get subsidized coverage on the marketplaces.

But Americans in states without Medicaid expansion could face a difficult, Catch-22 scenario. Verma herself has admitted this possibility.

That’s because Medicaid’s qualification bar is a lot lower in places like Alabama, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, North Carolina and Wisconsin — states that have also requested work requirements.

For example, Alabamians must earn no more than 18 percent of the poverty level (about $312 a month) to qualify. In North Carolina, the bar is set at 45 percent of the federal poverty level. Non-disabled adults without children aren’t eligible for Medicaid in either state, no matter how little they earn.

So if Medicaid enrollees in these states got jobs to retain their coverage, they could easily exceed the earnings threshold — and get kicked out of the program. It would probably be hard for them to then afford coverage on their own, since the marketplace subsidies aren’t available to those earning less than 138 percent of the federal poverty level.

Verma hasn’t ruled out approving work requirements in non-expansion states, but she did express concerns about this kind of “subsidy cliff” in public remarks this month.

“Because there is no tax credit for them to move on to the exchanges, what happens to those individuals?” she asked at a May 1 news briefing. “We need to figure out a pathway, a bridge to self-sufficiency.”

2. Will states be allowed to expand Medicaid only partially?

This is an approach the Obama administration repeatedly rejected, but the Trump administration hasn’t officially weighed in. Verma didn’t give us any real hints yesterday, instead saying that CMS will evaluate these requests from states based on the impact on the federal budget, whether it’s permissible under the ACA and whether it’s consistent with Medicaid’s objectives.

“We’re continuing to look at that issue,” she said. “If they’re doing partial expansion, that means they’re coming to the exchanges, and so we’re trying to understand all of the implications and the scenarios and what the impact would be.”

Massachusetts and Arkansas have submitted waiver requests to CMS to scale back their programs to just 100 percent of the federal poverty level. Utah is moving in that direction, too, passing a bill in March proposing only partial expansion.

There are legal questions around whether the ACA even permits this move. Under President Obama, the Department of Health and Human Services told states they had to either take or leave Medicaid expansion, insisting the law doesn’t allow for a halfway approach.

3. Can states require Medicaid enrollees to undergo drug testing?

The Trump administration has given a thumbs-up to work requirements but a thumbs-down to capping Medicaid benefits over an enrollee’s lifetime. But how will CMS handle a third move by some states to require recipients to undergo drug testing? This type of waiver request could be the next major one the agency responds to.

It’s been nearly a year since Wisconsin asked the agency for the go-ahead on making applicants undergo a drug test if they’re suspected of substance abuse. Those testing positive would have to undergo treatment to sign up for Medicaid under the state’s proposal.

When I asked Verma about drug testing, she suggested it could be one way to address the country’s opioid abuse epidemic, which Trump has declared a public health emergency.

“For a lot of states, what they’re looking at is they want to be able to identify individuals that need help, and we’ve got to figure out what’s the best way to identify those individuals and then help link them to the services that are going to be most appropriate,” she said.


AHH: American doctors are successfully persuading increasing numbers of men with low-risk prostate cancer to reject immediate surgery and radiation in favor of surveillance, a trend that is sparing men's sexual health without increasing their risk of death, The Post's Laurie McGinley reports.

A large study published Tuesday that involved more than 125,000 veterans diagnosed with nonaggressive prostate cancer found that in 2005, only 27 percent of men under 65 chose to forgo immediate therapy and instead signed up for “watchful waiting” or “active surveillance” to keep track of the tumor. By 2015, the situation had flipped — 72 percent rejected immediate surgery or radiation in favor of such monitoring, Laurie writes. The data for men older than 65 were similar.

“I think it's hugely important,” said Otis Brawley, chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society who was not involved in the study.  “Remember that until 2010, a man diagnosed with prostate cancer was told to get your prostate out, next week at the latest.”

OOF: Two drug companies that jointly sell a blood-cancer drug have decided to not move forward with changes that would have effectively tripled the cost of a lifesaving medicine for some patients, The Post's Carolyn Y. Johnson reports.

“Most patients take three capsules of Imbruvica a day, at an annual price of $148,000,” Carolyn writes. “But just as early evidence began to suggest a lower dose might be effective, Janssen and Pharmacyclics announced they were discontinuing the old capsule and introducing once-a-day tablets in four different dosages .... The new pills were ... triple the cost of the original capsule. Patients who had been taking one or two pills a day would see higher costs, and even if future evidence supported the use of lower doses of the drug, patients, insurers and health systems would not save money.”

But last week, Janssen and Pharmacyclics announced they were reversing course. They will keep the original, 140-milligram capsule on the market — at the original price. “We have received feedback regarding the availability of Imbruvica capsules, and as a result will continue to offer 140 mg Imbruvica capsules as an option in addition to our one pill, once-a-day tablet,” Pharmacyclics, which is owned by the drug giant AbbVie, said in a statement.

OUCH: A top Novartis executive is stepping down after last week's reports that the drug giant made payments to a company owned by Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, the Wall Street Journal's Brian Blackstone and Max Bernhard report. Yesterday, Novartis said general counsel Felix Ehrat is retiring from the company over $1.2 million in payments it made over the course of a year to Michael Cohen’s shell company, Essential Consultants.

"It was the second high-profile ouster in less than a week in relation to payments to the company," Brian and Max write. "AT&T Inc., which paid Mr. Cohen’s company $600,000 last year, said Friday that hiring him as a political consultant was a 'big mistake' and ousted its top Washington executive, Bob Quinn....Novartis has said the payments, made in $100,000 monthly installments under a contract that ended in February, were aimed at gaining insight into U.S. health-care policy."


— Trump says his wife Melania is “doing really well” following a procedure to treat a benign kidney condition. The president visited the first lady in the hospital yesterday and said he expected her back at the White House by the end of the week, the Associated Press’s Darlene Superville reports.

“Melania is doing really well. She’s watching us right now,” Trump said yesterday during an annual tribute to law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty. “And I want to thank the incredible doctors...They did a fantastic job.”

One senator told the AP that Trump, who's 71, joked during yesterday’s Senate lunch that his 48-year-old wife should be the one visiting him in the hospital.


— After six straight days of publicly defending Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who is battling brain cancer, against a crass joke made by a White House communications aide, Senate Republicans didn't bring up the comment during a long lunch with Trump on the Hill yesterday, our colleague Seung Min Kim reports. Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) put it this way: “That’s not what we do in those meetings.”

The White House still has not publicly apologized after communications aide Kelly Sadler said the ailing Arizona Republican's opposition to the administration’s CIA director nominee doesn't matter because he's "dying anyway."

“I’ve said how I feel about the comment about Senator McCain. It was unconscionable. I think everybody involved should apologize,” Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.) said as he left the lunch. "But this was a policy meeting, right? It was policy-driven.”

“The episode illustrated how reluctant most Republicans have become about directly challenging Trump,” Seung Min writes. “The remark about McCain last week by communications aide Kelly Sadler have been condemned by numerous Senate Republicans… But many senators have also said that McCain, who has been absent from Washington since December as he undergoes treatment for brain cancer, would be unlikely to get an apology from the notably unapologetic White House.”


— FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb says U.S. prescription costs could be lower if drug pricing strategies in Europe were more sustainable long-term, an idea referenced in Trump's strategy to lower drug spending.

Europeans "do underpay relative to us for branded drugs and that's in part because they do put price controls and utilization restrictions on those drugs," Gottlieb said yesterday in an interview with CNBC. "But they're overpaying relative to us on generic drugs…That's not a system for success in the long run.”

"We do think the market-based system gives appropriate incentives and rewards for people to take the risk and innovate," he added. "The problem becomes when there's a lack of competition because of government rules that prevent the competition from taking place."

— Lori Reilly, an executive vice president of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, said yesterday the lobbying group has “serious concerns” about the proposals Trump unveiled last week to bring down drug costs. During an panel hosted by the Alliance for Health Policy, Reilly said the drug industry’s top lobbying group plans to fight back against some of the proposals the president outlined, including moving drugs from Medicare Part B into Part D, The Hill’s Peter Sullivan reports.

"We have concerns about patient affordability and access," Reilly said.

"I read his comments to say that things are changing...We understand that is going to happen. I think our concern is change in the right places," she added. 

— A few more good reads from The Post and beyond:

To Your Health
Rose Acre Farms is also facing a lawsuit filed by a Florida woman who became sick with salmonella illness.
Kristine Phillips
The changes would represent a striking shift in drug enforcement and are likely to create a patchwork of prosecution policies across the five boroughs.
New York Times
A lawsuit challenging the nation’s most restrictive abortion law was filed Tuesday in Iowa, a state that for years was largely left out of Republican efforts to overturn abortion protections and where the Democratic attorney general has refused to defend the law.
It is undermining our economy at a time when workers are badly needed. 
Rob Portman


  • The American Enterprise Institute holds a hearing on fixing health care.
  • The House Veterans Affairs Committee holds a member day hearing.
  • AHIP holds a webinar on clinical data.
  • Reps. Jackie Walorski (R-Ind.) and Terri Sewell (D-Ala.) sponsor a hill briefing on “Increasing Patient Access to Non-Opioid Pain Management Therapies."

Coming Up

  • The House Energy and Commerce is scheduled to hold a markup on legislation to combat the opioid crisis on Thursday.  
  • The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee holds a hearing on a “Sustainable Solution to the Evolving Opioid Crisis: Revitalizing the Office of National Drug Control Policy” of Thursday.
  • The Advisory Board holds a webinar on combating clinician burnout on Thursday.
  • The FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee holds a meeting on Thursday.

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