BANNON: There's nothing to the Russia investigation. It's a waste of time.ROSE: What do you believe? You know what the national security institutions believe. What do you believe?BANNON: What do you mean, what they believe? We don't really — I mean — that there may have been — I — I think — look, I was there —ROSE: No, no, no, you were — you —BANNON: It's a total and complete farce. Russian collusion is a farce.ROSE: Okay, I didn't say “collusion.” Did the Russians try to influence the election?
BANNON: If you consider maybe something they did that at the DNC — who — who —ROSE: Maybe something they did —BANNON: — maybe someone that did —ROSE: That's not what the CIA believes. That's not what the FBI believes.BANNON: — maybe — maybe what they — have you seen — have you seen the intelligence reports?ROSE: No.BANNON: Okay, fine. So you don't know —ROSE: Have you seen intelligence reports?BANNON: I have seen the intelligence reports.ROSE: And are you saying to me those intelligence reports do not suggest that the Russians tried to influence the election?BANNON: I don't — I would never devolve classified information on this show. But let me tell you, I think it's far from conclusive that the Russians had any impact on this election.ROSE: Well, that's not the question. Did they try to influence the American election? That's what the investigation is about.BANNON: We'll have to wait till the investigation is finished.
ROSE: Why does the president find it so hard to criticize Russia?BANNON: Charlie, let — this is what stuns me. I don't think the president goes out of his way — what his point is, why pick another fight? We've got enough problems around the world.ROSE: So don't criticize the Russians because we don't need another fight?BANNON: He criticizes the Russians all the time. He knows the Russians are not good guys. We should be focused on how we bring the Cold War to an end, so we don't have to — and I think it was President Obama's program, $1 trillion to upgrade the nuclear arsenal. Is that what you wanna do? Is that where you wanna spend your money? Would you rather spend $1 trillion in Cleveland, in Baltimore, in the inner cities of this country where we need to spend it, in the heartland of this nation? And I think what he's trying to say, in a world of anarchy, do you need another enemy?