That's how the Islamic State views America's lax gun laws, according to one former recruit who traveled to Syria to join the group.

Speaking to the New York Times's Rukmini Callimachi, Harry Sarfo was characterizing how the group would approach attacks on foreign soil differently in the United States than in Europe, where strict gun control meant they favored using recruits with access to criminal networks.

“For America and Canada, it’s much easier for them to get them over the social network, because they say the Americans are dumb — they have open gun policies,” Sarfo said from a prison in Germany. “They say we can radicalize them easily, and if they have no prior record, they can buy guns, so we don’t need to have a contact man who has to provide guns for them.”

It's a comment that slots uncomfortably into the U.S. debate about guns and terrorism.

Those who favor greater gun control in the states have pointed to the availability of guns in the country as a risk factor, enabling easy and legal access to weapons that can kill a lot of people in a short time. Pro-gun voices, meanwhile, suggest that the widespread availability of guns leads to "good guys with guns" who could stop a terrorist shooter in his tracks.

Suggestions that those on the terrorist watch list should be barred from purchasing weapons have led to a backlash from both the National Rifle Association and civil rights lawyers, who argue that the current terrorist watch list system is too flawed for a ban to work.

A number of experts told WorldViews that this appeared to be the first time the Islamic State or one of its former recruits had spoken of the organization's views on U.S. gun control. It isn't the first time that an Islamist militant group has suggested that the country's gun laws make it a ready target for attacks, however.

J.M. Berger, a researcher on extremism, points to a 2011 video clip that features Adam Gadahn, an American al-Qaeda recruit who was one of the most prominent voices in the group at the time. "America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms," Gadahn told potential al-Qaeda recruits. "You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center, and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle without a background check and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?" (Gadahn was killed last year in Pakistan by a CIA drone strike.)

At the time, Berger wrote that this was "only the latest example of gun-love from al-Qaeda and its affiliates" and that "there are compelling reasons to focus our terrorism prevention strategy on firearms-based attacks." To an extent, this prediction has come true already: According to one recent analysis by FiveThirtyEight's Carl Bialik, an increasing number of terrorist attacks in the United States are committed with firearms, in part a response to stricter laws controlling explosives and materials that can be used to create explosives.

Speaking to the New York Times, Sarfo suggested that the Islamic State was actively seeking foreign fighters in Syria and Iraq to send back to Europe, where they could carry out attacks. Recruits with criminal histories were especially sought after by the group, “especially if they know you have ties to organized crime and they know you can get fake IDs, or they know you have contact men in Europe who can smuggle you into the European Union.”

Weapons were also a factor. In much of Western Europe, gun laws are tight. However, the continent's largely open borders make smuggling easy, and guns can be obtained on the black market if you know whom to ask. The Islamic State recruits who attacked Paris in November 2015 were found to have firearms that had originated in Eastern Europe. The Brussels-based cell that planned and perpetrated that attack and another in Belgium five months later had links to the criminal world, and some had spent time with the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq.

In contrast, an attack in San Bernardino, Calif., in December 2015 and another in Orlando in June 2016 — two attacks both claimed by the Islamic State that killed a total of 63 people — were conducted by people with little link to organized crime. These people had not been to the Middle East to fight, and their links to the Islamic State were weak, at best. In both of these shootings, the firearms used were bought legally.

Complicating matters, however, is another tend. In recent months, experts have noticed an increase of seemingly ad hoc methods for Islamic State-directed or inspired violence. A deadly attack in Nice that used a large box truck as a weapon shows how crudely inventive the Islamic State could be without legally or illegally acquired firearms.

"I think both ISIS and al-Qaeda are opportunists and will use whatever weapon is either available or most useful in the circumstances," Bruce Hoffman, director of Georgetown University's Security Studies Program, explained in an email. "Legally bought guns or refrigerator trucks — whichever gets the job done."

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