On Sunday, before former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg announced his decision to end his presidential campaign, he was introduced by his husband, Chasten. Just the day before his tearful words about the impact of his husband’s campaign, Chasten sat with me in Columbia, S.C.

As his parents looked on, the schoolteacher who left the classroom to campaign for his husband talked about the historic nature of the Buttigieg campaign, what it meant to the LGBTQ community, the insane conversation about whether Mayor Pete is “gay enough” and why the arts would have been a focus if the couple had been lucky enough to live in the White House.

Remember, this conversation took place 24 hours before Pete Buttigieg ended his campaign. But the conversation was too special not to share.

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