On Friday, Mahathir will address the assembly again. In an interview with Today’s WorldView this week, the prime minister said he will focus on the importance of strengthening democracy and democratizing the international system. It’s the same theme he addressed in his 2003 speech, where he, like other non-Western leaders, called for the restructuring of an international system dominated by a handful of powers.
The U.N.'s Security Council, Mahathir told Today’s WorldView, is “a very undemocratic organization in which five countries can frustrate the rest of the world.”
The Malaysian leader has long been known for his sharp remarks — especially when it comes to his grievances with the United States and the West. It’s a penchant for plain-speak that endures. “There’s talk about equality, but there’s no such thing as equality” in the international system, he said. “The powerful will do what they want. The weak will have to submit.”
Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad’s first bilateral meeting in New York was with His Excellency Hassan Rouhani, President of the Islamic Republic of Iran. They talked about improving relationship between the two countries, the state of the Muslim world and other bilateral issues. #UNGA pic.twitter.com/tDrMadruBL— Dr Mahathir Mohamad (@chedetofficial) September 27, 2018
In recent weeks, Mahathir has earned attention for attempting to buck this trend. His new government canceled two multibillion-dollar Chinese investment projects, a move perceived by analysts as a rejection of Beijing’s geopolitical ambitions in Asia. But Mahathir pushed back on any suggestion that he was “anti-Chinese."
“China does not have a history of creating empires through conquests,” Mahathir said, contrasting that history to centuries of European colonial violence and plunder. “We have relations with China for almost 2,000 years, but they never conquered us.”
He condemned the imminent trade war between the United States and China as “silly,” “old-fashioned” and something Beijing does not want. He also looks dourly upon Trump, a new antagonist in the White House.
“I find it difficult to make out what he is like, because he seems to be rather mercurial, changing his mind in a short space of time,” he said of the American president. “When he expresses an opinion, it seems to be not in keeping with reality.”
Mahathir argued that he canceled the Chinese contracts in questions not as an act of defiance against China, but because the debt-laden deal didn’t serve the national interest and was the work of his allegedly corrupt predecessor, Prime Minister Najib Razak.
Mahathir’s return to the world stage followed a remarkable election campaign this year to unseat Najib, a former Mahathir protege. Popular discontent with Malaysia’s political status quo, intensified by spiraling corruption scandals surrounding Najib, compelled his mentor to head up an opposition coalition and bring down the ruling party he had dominated for decades.
The opposition victory was “a textbook example of democracy,” Mahathir said. “Democracy can only function if people understand and respect the vote.” In a high-stakes contest in Malaysia, he argued, the vote was respected.
Tun Dr Mahathir then had a dialogue session with members of the Council on Foreign Relations (@CFR_org), where he spent nearly an hour answering questions from the audience. Topics include China, Trump administration, ASEAN and the Rohingya issue, etc.https://t.co/FNs4jtXIU2 pic.twitter.com/pZzBpwplJD— Dr Mahathir Mohamad (@chedetofficial) September 27, 2018
There are profound ironies about this turn of events. For years, Mahathir was viewed by many as an autocrat in democratic clothing, a charismatic politico who ruthlessly consolidated power even as he pioneered his nation’s modernization. He is still irked by this characterization, casting it as a “trick” played by the Western media.
“Whether my policies were good or bad is up for others to evaluate,” he said. “But I stayed on for 22 years. I led five elections and in all five elections, I won with a very good majority. The people were not so disappointed with me to the extent of wanting to throw me out.”
Nor does he take any responsibility for the political legacy he may have bequeathed to his country — a certain political elite engaging in astonishing graft, enabled in part by a compromised judiciary. Since leaving office in 2003, Mahathir has become a vocal critic of his successors.
“I don’t see why I should be blamed. Without anybody asking me to, I resigned to give way to other people,” he said, referring to his departure in favor of then-Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi. Instead, he blames “the character of the people who succeeded me, not the political system” itself. He said his government will work toward cleaning up the country’s judiciary and reviving foreign investment.
In the 1990s, Mahathir was the chief proponent of “Asian values,” a set of principles that challenged the universality of human rights and seemed to justify authoritarian governance if it delivers prosperity and development. Now, he has softened his rhetoric to fit his new democratic bona fides.
“It can’t be a case of one-size-fits-all,” he said, pointing to the failure of democratic uprisings in the Middle East. “Democracy is not perfect, it does not guarantee good governance. Democracy can throw up a leader who can manipulate the law and so he actually becomes a dictator.” Mahathir then added: “Trump is what happens with democracy."
Malaysia’s nonagenarian leader is eager to avoid any more talk about dictatorship at home. He came to power on a pledge to eventually cede office to once-jailed opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, a politician who Mahathir targeted for prosecution 20 years ago.
They’ve since buried the hatchet, and Mahathir told Today’s WorldView that he will give way to Anwar in “two or three years.” He ended on a matter-of-fact note: “I don’t want to stay forever.”
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